The Polls - Is Trump Winning even without the Algo

Tony Stark said:
You said IBD/TIPP nailed it.IBD /TIPP had Trump + 2,but Hillary got more votes.8 other polls had Hillary in the lead and they were right.
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What needs to be revisited here is the fact that the main benefit of polls as I have mentioned before, is to measure trend, not to ascertain exact margins. The trend was heading Trump's direction and that was what folks should have noticed. Yet you continued to tout raw vote count polls on a national level and failed to take into account the burgeoning movement in Trump's direction. This was especially true with regard to state polls. At the same time, you only reviewed the final polls in other years and not the shifting in the polls.
 
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Tony Stark said:
You said IBD/TIPP nailed it.IBD /TIPP had Trump + 2,but Hillary got more votes.8 other polls had Hillary in the lead and they were right.
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Being the closest to the final results is what constitutes right. Being on the winning side is what constitutes right.

You touted phony polls that had Clinton up 3, 5, 10, 12, points and they were as phony and wrong as could be.

The tracking polls won, and your phony polls are now the disgrace of politics and you know it.
 
Here are some of the crappiest most fraudulent polls in history... (just a few weeks before the herding.)


NBC had hillary at plus 14 at one point.
ABC plus 12.
AP plus 13.
USA today 10
CBS 11
Monmouth 12.

Why were they so wrong?
Well we told you... some did not reveal their templates.
Some were using fraudlently democrat rich templates..
D plus 7, D plus 10 and worse.

By using such "funny" templates that allowed all sorts of false narratives about Trump, his chances and his supporters.
They proved almost every one in almost ever branch of the media had poor critical thinking skills or were an idiots.

But perhaps the best laugh was the last laugh.
When the media turned on Nate Silver for only giving hillary a 72 percent chance of winning.


Lets... review the middle of October....


Pew Research 10/20 - 10/25 2120 RV 2.4 50 43 Clinton +7
ABC News Tracking 10/21 - 10/24 1119 LV 3.0 51 43 Clinton +8
CNBC 10/21 - 10/24 LV -- 47 37 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/19 - 10/25 3145 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
USA Today/Suffolk 10/20 - 10/24 1000 LV 3.0 49 39 Clinton +10
Associated Press-GfK 10/20 - 10/24 1212 LV -- 54 41 Clinton +13
Reuters/Ipsos 10/20 - 10/24 1170 LV 3.3 43 37 Clinton +6
ABC News Tracking 10/20 - 10/23 611 LV 4.5 53 41 Clinton +12
Gravis 10/20 - 10/23 2109 RV 2.1 50 50 Tie
CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 51 45 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32255 LV 1.0 50 44 Clinton +6
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/9 - 10/15 2946 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 917 LV 3.0 49 41 Clinton +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/10 806 LV 3.5 50 40 Clinton +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/6 - 10/10 2363 LV 2.2 44 37 Clinton +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/9 447 LV 4.6 52 38 Clinton +14


Tony Stark said:
The polls weren't wrong Jem.8 of the last 10 polls had Hillary ahead.70-80 % of the polls the last 6 months had Hilliary ahead and Hillary did indeed get more votes.After getting 66 and 69 million votes in the last 2 elections nobody expected Dems to drop to 59 million votes this election but Hillary still got more votes than Trump as the majority of national polls stated.

Anyway its been fun debating with you these last few months my friend.Congratulations on your candidates victory and I too hope Trump does a good job.
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jem said:
Here are some of the crappiest most fraudulent polls in history... (just a few weeks before the herding.)


NBC had hillary at plus 14 at one point.
ABC plus 12.
AP plus 13.
USA today 10
CBS 11
Monmouth 12.

Why were they so wrong?
Well we told you... some did not reveal their templates.
Some were using fraudlently democrat rich templates..
D plus 7, D plus 10 and worse.

By using such "funny" templates that allowed all sorts of false narratives about Trump, his chances and his supporters.
They proved almost every one in almost ever branch of the media had poor critical thinking skills or were an idiots.

But perhaps the best laugh was the last laugh.
When the media turned on Nate Silver for only giving hillary a 72 percent chance of winning.


Lets... review the middle of October....


Pew Research 10/20 - 10/25 2120 RV 2.4 50 43 Clinton +7
ABC News Tracking 10/21 - 10/24 1119 LV 3.0 51 43 Clinton +8
CNBC 10/21 - 10/24 LV -- 47 37 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/19 - 10/25 3145 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
USA Today/Suffolk 10/20 - 10/24 1000 LV 3.0 49 39 Clinton +10
Associated Press-GfK 10/20 - 10/24 1212 LV -- 54 41 Clinton +13
Reuters/Ipsos 10/20 - 10/24 1170 LV 3.3 43 37 Clinton +6
ABC News Tracking 10/20 - 10/23 611 LV 4.5 53 41 Clinton +12
Gravis 10/20 - 10/23 2109 RV 2.1 50 50 Tie
CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 51 45 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32255 LV 1.0 50 44 Clinton +6
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/9 - 10/15 2946 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 917 LV 3.0 49 41 Clinton +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/10 806 LV 3.5 50 40 Clinton +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/6 - 10/10 2363 LV 2.2 44 37 Clinton +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/9 447 LV 4.6 52 38 Clinton +14
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Jem I have previously stated on more than one occasion whats most important in polls is who is ahead in most of them.23 of the 26 polls you posted had Hillary ahead and Hillary finished with more votes than Trump as the majority of polls showed she would.
 
tony... we did not believe your statements then and we do not believe them now.
you are not really trying to pretend you were talking about the popular vote over the election winner... are you? Don't embarrass yourself now with that deceit.

Just accept the fact as many of you leftist friends have... your polls were fraudulent. They used democrat rich templates.
garbage in - garbage out.



Tony Stark said:
Jem I have previously stated on more than one occasion whats most important in polls is who is ahead in most of them.23 of the 26 polls you posted had Hillary ahead and Hillary finished with more votes than Trump as the majority of polls showed she would.
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Coincidence?


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