The National Football League: 2009 edition

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I disagree with this AAA (but as a Pats fan I may be biased). If the Pats were truly running up the score, they would have kept Brady in for the whole game and went for 100pts (yes it was that onesided). Getting 14pts in the 2nd half, when they probably could have got a lot more, is not running up the score. This was a great opportunity to bring in a rookie, backup QB and give him some valuable experience 'throwing' the ball. What would you have had them do in the 2nd half? Should they have taken a knee on every play? Should they have run the ball but stopped a yard short of getting a first down? Should they have just given up trying and insulted the Titans instead of embarrassing them?

The Patriots offense has been somewhat out of sync all season and this gave them an opportunity to get back in sync and build some more confidence for next week and the rest of the season. Should they refrain from running their offense the way they want to, just to spare the Titans feelings?
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It was a pure stat-padding game for the entire NE team. When the high passer for the other team has zero yards and his only completion was to the wrong team, ONE TD is enough to win the game. They were up 45-0 at the half and felt the need to keep piling it on.

They're staying true to form, though. In a similar game against the Redskins in '07, they padded their stats again in an attempt to break records, and they broke plenty, but they proceeded to lose the SB and then Brady in the first game of '08.

I'm not a Titans or Redskins fan, but when I see games like that, I have to wonder about the thought process behind embarrassing an opposing coach and team. I mean, it's a physical game with potential for career ending injuries on every play as it is, but when players quit caring about 15 yard penalties and $20K fines, you start seeing more plays with guys getting "blocked" into knees or guys driven into the ground shoulder first.
 
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maybe that's why your now sitting on your balls scalping ticks instead of running a 100+ million dollar football team?

i have to wonder :D
 
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It was a pure stat-padding game for the entire NE team. When the high passer for the other team has zero yards and his only completion was to the wrong team, ONE TD is enough to win the game. They were up 45-0 at the half and felt the need to keep piling it on.

They're staying true to form, though. In a similar game against the Redskins in '07, they padded their stats again in an attempt to break records, and they broke plenty, but they proceeded to lose the SB and then Brady in the first game of '08.

I'm not a Titans or Redskins fan, but when I see games like that, I have to wonder about the thought process behind embarrassing an opposing coach and team. I mean, it's a physical game with potential for career ending injuries on every play as it is, but when players quit caring about 15 yard penalties and $20K fines, you start seeing more plays with guys getting "blocked" into knees or guys driven into the ground shoulder first.
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So if you were the NE coach, what would you have done in the 2nd half? What would you have had your offense do when they had the ball?
 
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So if you were the NE coach, what would you have done in the 2nd half? What would you have had your offense do when they had the ball?
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Like most NFL coaches, I would have called off the dogs (Caldwell did it a week earlier). Brady could have stayed in the game, but you would have seen more running plays and FGs. If the other team throws a pick-6 every other possession or keeps fumbling the ball inside their own 10, it's a different situation.

If this wasn't the third time NE had run up the score for the sake of stats in the last 3 seasons, it wouldn't be hitting people's radar like it is. It raised eyebrows when they did it to Washington and Buffalo in '07 after the spying incidents, especially with Joe Gibbs coaching the Skins, but after their bad luck in the SB and losing Brady to a head first blow to the knee, I think people assumed they may do things a little different. Like I said, I'm not a Titans/Skins/Bills fan, but I do look sideways at some of NE's stats and won't be surprised if another injury occurs, blatant or accidental.
 
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Like most NFL coaches, I would have called off the dogs (Caldwell did it a week earlier). Brady could have stayed in the game, but you would have seen more running plays and FGs. If the other team throws a pick-6 every other possession or keeps fumbling the ball inside their own 10, it's a different situation.

If this wasn't the third time NE had run up the score for the sake of stats in the last 3 seasons, it wouldn't be hitting people's radar like it is. It raised eyebrows when they did it to Washington and Buffalo in '07 after the spying incidents, especially with Joe Gibbs coaching the Skins, but after their bad luck in the SB and losing Brady to a head first blow to the knee, I think people assumed they may do things a little different. Like I said, I'm not a Titans/Skins/Bills fan, but I do look sideways at some of NE's stats and won't be surprised if another injury occurs, blatant or accidental.
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Pretty well sums up my thoughts as well. I still remember the game where they ran it up on Gibbs. Very classless move by Belichick. They were going for it on fourth downs with a huge lead, etc. Gibbs is not the kind of person who would try to retaliate, but other coaches might not be as careful. If I was Jeff Fisher, I would have been calling all out blitzes so that you knew someone would get the chance to put a helmet into Brady. Brady takes another shot to his knee, suddenly it's not so much fun for him and BB.

The answer as to what you do with a 50 point lead is you run the ball and try to use the clock. It's not a scrimmage or a preseason game. You want your backup QB to work on his throwing with a 50 point lead, I would advise you not to do it against Ray Lewis because he will end up in the hospital.
 
With the Denver win that sends my picks which i put money on to 4-2 for the week, or 6-4 if you include the 4 games which i didnt put money on. I think if there was any doubt left about Denver tonights convincing win should eliminate it.
 
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Pretty well sums up my thoughts as well. I still remember the game where they ran it up on Gibbs. Very classless move by Belichick. They were going for it on fourth downs with a huge lead, etc. Gibbs is not the kind of person who would try to retaliate, but other coaches might not be as careful. If I was Jeff Fisher, I would have been calling all out blitzes so that you knew someone would get the chance to put a helmet into Brady. Brady takes another shot to his knee, suddenly it's not so much fun for him and BB.

The answer as to what you do with a 50 point lead is you run the ball and try to use the clock. It's not a scrimmage or a preseason game. You want your backup QB to work on his throwing with a 50 point lead, I would advise you not to do it against Ray Lewis because he will end up in the hospital.
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Fair points, but while I would somewhat agree with you that they ran up the score against Washington a few years ago, I really don't think it was the case in this game. The score got to 45-0 so suddenly in the second quarter that there wasn't really a chance to think about whether the score was being run up. So the debate is really over the final 14pts the Pats scored in the 2nd half. Firstly, Tennessee were so bad that if the Patriots wanted to run up the score it would have been much worse than 59-0. Secondly, the Patriots had already lost their leading running back a few weeks earlier. They then lost the 2nd running back to injury at the beginning of the game. Should they therefor have put their #3 + #4 running backs at greater injury risk by having them run for the rest of the game? (or in Maroneys case, danced for the rest of the game) Would the Titans have held back on tackling the running backs hard? Even the Titans players agreed that the Patriots weren't running up the score.

The only problem I had was the Patriots bringing out Brady for the first series in the second half. However, Phil Simms said during the broadcast, that he thought that Brady should come back out for the first series. I missed his reasoning for it though.

Anyway, whether or not the Patriots were deliberately running up the score, that display by the Titans was the worst I have ever seen a team play. I shudder to think what the Patriot offense of 07 would have done to them, especially since Fishers criticism of BB in 07 would have been fresh in their minds.
 
NFL Point Spreads For Week 7 - Week Seven NFL Football Point Spread - NFL Spreads 10/25 - 10/26, 2009
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
10/25 1:00 ET San Diego -4.5 At Kansas City
10/25 1:00 ET Indianapolis -13 At St. Louis
10/25 4:15 ET At Cincinnati -1.5 Chicago
10/25 1:00 ET Green Bay -7 At Cleveland
10/25 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -4.5 Minnesota
10/25 1:00 ET New England -14.5 Tampa Bay
(At London)
10/25 1:00 ET At Houston -3 San Francisco
10/25 4:05 ET NY Jets -6.5 At Oakland
10/25 4:05 ET At Carolina -7.5 Buffalo
10/25 4:15 ET New Orleans -6.5 At Miami
10/25 4:15 ET At Dallas -4 Atlanta
10/25 8:20 ET At NY Giants -7 Arizona



Monday Night Football Point Spread

10/26 8:35 ET Philadelphia -7 At Washington

Byes: Baltimore, Denver, Detroit, Jacksonville, Seattle, Tennessee

* = Last available point spread. Currently off due to Monday night play. Number may differ when game back on.
 
Is anyone else chomping at the bit on any of these games?? There is atleast 3 no brainers this week, here is what i am definately laying money on if the spreads stay the same this week.

Giants -7 at home against an inconsistent arizona offense seems like a no brainer to me.

Sandiego -4.5 against KC?!?! seriously i would bet my kids on this game.

GreenBay -7 against the Browns, looks good to me, greenbay has shown that they can tear apart bad pass defenses.

New Orleans -6.5 against Miami, they tore apart Newyork, how can miami keep up though i dont like betting against teams who had a week off, i ddi it last week against new orleans and it cost me

Atlanta +4 against Dallas, Dallas has been brutal all year


NewYork 4-2 against the spread

Sandiego 1-4 against the spread but its KC only 4.5 points is a joke

Greenbay 3-2 against the spread

Neworleans 5-0 against the spread

Atlanta 4-1 against the spread, and Dallas 2-3

Eagles 3-2 against the spread Washington 2-4

I want to add 1 more game and i am throwing down 200 this week on the entire lot i normally only bet 50 but some of this seems way to easy, which means 200*2*2*2*2*2*2, 10k+ winner if it all works out, though i may not find another good game, what do you think about the picks so far AAAinthebeltway??

Thinking about adding the eagles -7 against a new offensive coordinator, and a horrendous skins team.

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NFL Point Spreads For Week 7 - Week Seven NFL Football Point Spread - NFL Spreads 10/25 - 10/26, 2009
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
10/25 1:00 ET San Diego -4.5 At Kansas City
10/25 1:00 ET Indianapolis -13 At St. Louis
10/25 4:15 ET At Cincinnati -1.5 Chicago
10/25 1:00 ET Green Bay -7 At Cleveland
10/25 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -4.5 Minnesota
10/25 1:00 ET New England -14.5 Tampa Bay
(At London)
10/25 1:00 ET At Houston -3 San Francisco
10/25 4:05 ET NY Jets -6.5 At Oakland
10/25 4:05 ET At Carolina -7.5 Buffalo
10/25 4:15 ET New Orleans -6.5 At Miami
10/25 4:15 ET At Dallas -4 Atlanta
10/25 8:20 ET At NY Giants -7 Arizona



Monday Night Football Point Spread

10/26 8:35 ET Philadelphia -7 At Washington

Byes: Baltimore, Denver, Detroit, Jacksonville, Seattle, Tennessee

* = Last available point spread. Currently off due to Monday night play. Number may differ when game back on.
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