The most productive POTUS in a century

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[Tony Stark]

Please try to understand that it is hard to follow the logic here. You want progressive judges, for example, Biden added progressive judges but you’re mad at Biden for not expanding the Supreme Court, so (and this is where you lose me) you’re going to throw away your vote and allow republicans to add more conservative judges.

Manchin and Sinema gets praised by Biden for passing progressive laws but they’re not as progressive as you would like so you’re going to throw away your vote and allow republicans to take over congress and the presidency so they can pass conservative laws you disagree with.

I can get not being happy with Biden and/or Congress because they are going far enough but to hand the country to conservatives instead of advocating you ideas to the people most likely to eventually support them sounds illogical.

My big issue is the child tax credit, we need to address childhood poverty in America but I’m not going to support the people who don’t care about hungry kids just because it wasn’t in this round of legislation. I’m going to continue advocate for it where I think there is a good chance of getting it done. The sun still shines.

Dems have The White House,House and Senate yet abortion is banned in around half the country,republican voter suppression laws still stand,medicare option for all isn't even a discussion,Trumps tax cuts still in effect,no student loan forgiveness,giving billions more to abusive police with no reforms,no DC,Puerto Rico and other territories statehood for more Dem Senate Seats,no ending of gerrymandering etc

This is what Biden promised when running for office.I have no problems with him not getting this done,I having a problem with him not fighting to get it done or just kicking progressives in the ass on issues like student loans and police reform

 

[Cuddles]

Dems have The White House,House and Senate yet abortion is banned in around half the country,republican voter suppression laws still stand,medicare option for all isn't even a discussion,Trumps tax cuts still in effect,no student loan forgiveness,giving billions more to abusive police with no reforms,no DC,Puerto Rico and other territories statehood for more Dem Senate Seats,no ending of gerrymandering etc

None of that gets easier with more GOP power, and in fact some of those were a result of conservatives being in power (SCOTUS in Roe, Trump tax cuts, voter suppression laws). What would all of that look under Hillary if voters had done their duty instead of sitting it out?

 

[Tony Stark]

None of that gets easier with more GOP power, and in fact some of those were a result of conservatives being in power (SCOTUS in Roe, Trump tax cuts, voter suppression laws). What would all of that look under Hillary if voters had done their duty instead of sitting it out?

All it takes is one Dem White House,Senate and House to put an end to republicans on the national level forever.Until Dems get their heads out of their asses and do that Ill live with The GOP in power,because even though we have a Dem White House,Senate and House we are doing it now.Roe abolished,Trump tax cuts still here,GOP Supreme Court still here,GOPs voter suppression laws still here,gerrymandering still here,min wage still 7.25,weed still illegal,Obamacare hasn't been expanded,no police reform,no gun control,no student loan forgiveness,no free college,Trump isn't prosecuted,etc.Not much different now than when The GOP is in charge.

 

[Cuddles]

Roe abolished,

as a result of Trump's win/McConnell's picks

Trump tax cuts still here

As a result of a Trump win

GOP Supreme Court still here

as a result of Trump's/McConnell's picks & skinny majority

GOPs voter suppression laws still here

As a result of GOP wins & Trump's SCOTUS

gerrymandering still here

As a result of GOP wins & Trump's SCOTUS

min wage still 7.25V

A skinny majority further reduced will not help here.

weed still illegal

As a result of a Nixon win, A skinny majority further reduced will not help here.

Obamacare hasn't been expanded, no police reform, no student loan forgiveness, no free college

A skinny majority further reduced will not help here.

Trump isn't prosecuted,etc.

I won't make excuses here

Not much different now than when The GOP is in charge.

How is any of the above which you can directly link to the GOP not any more different when they're in charge?[/QUOTE]

 

[Tony Stark]

as a result of Trump's win/McConnell's picks

As a result of a Trump win

as a result of Trump's/McConnell's picks & skinny majority

As a result of GOP wins & Trump's SCOTUS


As a result of GOP wins & Trump's SCOTUS

The Democratic party has the power to change all that right now but Joe tells us what great people Manchin and Sinima are and he doesn't support changing the current Supreme Court,but I'm supposed to vote,donate and volunteer for him again?

I will continue to donate to progressive democrats like Bernie,Warnock,Warren,AOC,Kelly etc but fuck moderate democrats forever.

 

[Cuddles]

The Democratic party has the power to change all that right now but Joe tells us what great people Manchin and Sinima are and he doesn't support changing the current Supreme Court,but I'm supposed to vote,donate and volunteer for him again?

I will continue to donate to progressive democrats like Bernie,Warnock,Warren,AOC,Kelly etc but fuck moderate democrats forever.

You do you, just don't confuse lack of progress (dems) with regress (cons).

 

[Tony Stark]

You do you, just don't confuse lack of progress (dems) with regress (cons).

 

[exGOPer]

Joe tells us what great people Manchin and Sinima are and he doesn't support changing the current Supreme Court,but I'm supposed to vote,donate and volunteer for him again?

I will continue to donate to progressive democrats like Bernie,Warnock,Warren,AOC,Kelly etc but fuck moderate democrats forever.

What power does Joe have over Manchin and Sinema? Zero.

Are you new to politics or something? Did you forget Lieberman blocking Obama agenda? What could Obama do other than plead with him?

 

[Cuddles]

What power does Joe have over Manchin and Sinema? Zero.

Are you new to politics or something? Did you forget Lieberman blocking Obama agenda? What could Obama do other than plead with him?

In fairness, Joe used neither carrot nor stick. Did Teddy have no power over those who opposed him?