The Middle East continues to burn, where is Obama?

Plenty of zealous haters with Bush, too. Just on the other side of the aisle. The pendulum has swung back and forth with increasing amplitude.
That is true. I think it's the internet doing it. Rising inequality will be reflected in other aspects of society, too.
 
That is true. I think it's the internet doing it. Rising inequality will be reflected in other aspects of society, too.

I know it's a "conspiwacy" but I think there's specific intent to divide and conquer the populace. There are greater forces at work that have an interest in keeping the status quo. A unified America looking for change is a very dangerous thing to those in power.
 
I know it's a "conspiwacy" but I think there's specific intent to divide and conquer the populace. There are greater forces at work that have an interest in keeping the status quo. A unified America looking for change is a very dangerous thing to those in power.
Yep. The old problem of entrenched privilege.
 
"Take over" is hindsight. The MB was just a part of the rebel groups we were supporting, not our favorite part, but a deal with the devil.


You would have kept our troops there, increased them?


Several senior military officers thought they were nobodies, and in light of "no man left behind", the deal was widely supported by the men in charge.


The russkies also supported the position and urged Assad to cooperate and destroy his chem weapons, which he did, ahead of the schedule imposed by watchdogs.


More sanctions, or war with Russia?


No one believes this position. Certainly not the experts.


With Saddam out and the US troop pullout, which the American public supported, it is hard to imagine ISIS would not have risen.


Leaving the armchair generalship aside, in all seriousness, and as I am presently reading a history of the Roman Empire, whose deeds included repeated invasions of the ME all the way to Persia, (and interestingly, the almost complete genocide of Jews in Palestine under one emperor), and also considering that conflict if not open warfare in the ME has been in the news at least since I came of age, I don't think Obama has been much worse. Sure, in hindsight, he could have done better. No president has succeeded in bringing peace to that region, though many have tried. What's new with Obama is that he has a particularly zealous number of haters, and factoring out all the "terrible" things he's done which most other presidents have done as well, there is really only one remaining, unspoken, trait of his which explains that hate.

Assad destroyed his chemical weapons. This must be news to his own population who he has continued using them on.
 
Plenty of zealous haters with Bush, too. Just on the other side of the aisle. The pendulum has swung back and forth with increasing amplitude.

I didn't like Bush as a president. I thought him to be a "wannabe war pres" to impress his daddy. He never should have "gone into Iraq".

Odumbo is waayyyy worse. He really does want to destroy America.... a wolf in sheep's clothing.
 
I know it's a "conspiwacy" but I think there's specific intent to divide and conquer the populace. There are greater forces at work that have an interest in keeping the status quo. A unified America looking for change is a very dangerous thing to those in power.

Exactly
 
so much of your response is not consistent with realty.



1. Every non paid leftist and several thousand advisors and a few million Jews warned obama to not side with the Muslim Brotherhood.

2. Yes almost all the military advisors and generals say a status of forces agreement would have been better

3. Virtually no one thought they were nobodies and almost noone thought we should trade 5 high level terrorists for a spy / traitor whose own unit new he walked off and worked with the enemy.

4. Obama's mistakes in Syria were the opportunity that Putin use to assert Russia' role in the middle east... and they have not brought Iran and Syria into a ruling axis. Nothing Obama did from the beginning was correct. He armed the wrong groups made allies with extremists and it was not wise... ever.

5. Experts... which ones... democrats? How could arming Iran and paying them money ever be a good idea. They are siding with Russia.

This may be a little speculative but someday the facts will be outed...

6. As I said nothing Obama did worked out... The way we pulled out caused problems and we probably supported and armed Isis in the beginning. How would have thought that apparently arming radical Muslims would not work out in Benghazi and did not work out with Isis. This is on Clinton and Obama.



"Take over" is hindsight. The MB was just a part of the rebel groups we were supporting, not our favorite part, but a deal with the devil.


You would have kept our troops there, increased them?


Several senior military officers thought they were nobodies, and in light of "no man left behind", the deal was widely supported by the men in charge.


The russkies also supported the position and urged Assad to cooperate and destroy his chem weapons, which he did, ahead of the schedule imposed by watchdogs.


More sanctions, or war with Russia?


No one believes this position. Certainly not the experts.


With Saddam out and the US troop pullout, which the American public supported, it is hard to imagine ISIS would not have risen.


Leaving the armchair generalship aside, in all seriousness, and as I am presently reading a history of the Roman Empire, whose deeds included repeated invasions of the ME all the way to Persia, (and interestingly, the almost complete genocide of Jews in Palestine under one emperor), and also considering that conflict if not open warfare in the ME has been in the news at least since I came of age, I don't think Obama has been much worse. Sure, in hindsight, he could have done better. No president has succeeded in bringing peace to that region, though many have tried. What's new with Obama is that he has a particularly zealous number of haters, and factoring out all the "terrible" things he's done which most other presidents have done as well, there is really only one remaining, unspoken, trait of his which explains that hate.
 
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