ZZZzzzzzzz,
Careful!
Don't mix up clowns with Humanists and Scientists.
nononsense.
PS: The clown class is not an inclusive class for Darwinists.
The lunacy of the Darwinists
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Careful!
Don't mix up clowns with Humanists and Scientists.
nononsense.
PS: The clown class is not an inclusive class for Darwinists.
It's not a fallacy for that reason. If it was, then ID would be a fallacy too. There is more than one truth.
Science's claim to truth, given what it accepts as fact and its test of truth, is valid. So is intelligent design's claim, given its own criteria for fact and truth. All of us experience only a tiny slice of the dance of matter/energy. There is no fallacy, only a limit to the tools.
Science, particularly the theory of evolution and the concept of natural selection, does a better job of explaining the rise of superbugs in hospitals, if we want to predict, control, and prevent such things. A preacher, believing in intelligent design and some kind of bigger meaning to it all, does a better job comforting the victim's family. Perhaps they're both working towards the same end, the end of suffering.
Nice try, but it doesn't matter whether God is everywhere or nowhere. Even if he is everywhere and in everything, even if the universe is the embodiment of what God is, change in this universe requires power, and change that occurs without power in this universe is magic. Period.
E = m*c^2
I'm sure you're familiar with that formula, because it comes from the physicist who you always use a authority for your view that randomness is only perceived.
Now, I don't know if you know how to do simple algebra or not, but, if you do, then pay close attention, because I'm gonna show you that what you allege is impossible from the natural operation of the universe without the application of magic.
Let's go back to Lenski's lab. He has bacteria whose DNA has changed. Let's say only one gene has changed, i.e., the protein sequence is different than it was only a moment ago.
Ordinarily, the change would come from the randomly distributed existing subatomic particles or waves that are merrily dancing around in the universal space. A particle/wave contacts with a protein and alters its molecular structure. The change could be the instantiation of a different protein or perhaps even some inorganic molecule.
But, in order to deliberately force a change, that means that some particle or wave must have its random course changed, and that change in course requires the application of power from some other place. Subatomic particles don't come with steering wheels and little fins, and even if they did, there's no friction in the space where they travel to use as a counteracting agent so as to drive the subatomic particle off course and towards the protein. So, if God wants to change the course of the particle then he's got to use energy to change its direction, no different than a space ship needs energy to fire a retro rocket and nudge itself into a different course.
And, if the above is not how God acheives this change, then God is using magic to produce the change, because he is defying his own basic rules.
And, if God simply chooses to "add" a little extra energy to the already existing energy in this universe, then it's got to come from somewhere else, but when it enters this universe that energy must manifest itself as having the same character as the rest of the energy in this universe, because if it doesn't, then that would be magical energy.
So, when you add a little extra energy to this universe, then that makes the "E" in Einstein's famous equation a little bit bigger, and on the other side of the equation, either the "m" or the "c" must also get bigger.
If the "c" get's bigger, that means that God has altered the speed of light and that is the application of magic, because that would be a fundamental change to the physical properties of the universe. And, if the "m" gets bigger, then the "E" will get bigger times "c" (the speed of light) squared, and, releases of energy like that are ALWAYS very big. The result is quite predictable and empirically demonstrable. It looks just like this:
No more protein, gene, DNA, bacteria, petri dish, scientists, lab, street, town, etc., etc., etc.
And, in order to suppress the "natural" result of adding energy to the universe, God would have to apply magical force.
Now you can tell us all day long that there's another set of natural rules, and another type of "subtle" energy that no one's discovered, if that let's you fight a semantic war that would ordinarily describe what you're describing as magical energy. But, in the end, unless you can produce some evidence to support the existence of this "subtle" energy, then what you are describing is magic, Obi-Wan, because there is no evidence of the existence of some, "all powerful force" that "surrounds us and penetrates us" and "binds the galaxy together." (my apologies to George Lucas and the rest of the gang).
Finally, in case you're thinking that it would only require the addition of a very small amount of energy, and that the consequence could go unnoticed, then I recommend you take a tour of Lawrence-Berekley labs, or some other lab containing a nuclear accelerator. Because when you do, you will immediately understand what you do not comprehend. That is, that it requires a VERY large amount of energy and a huge piece of equipment, to intentionally knock even the smallest subatomic particle off course.
No matter how you slice it, in order for God to do the dastardly deed of modifying a protein intentionally by application of force in this universe, even if he's right there inside the protein itself, the evidence of his almighty activity will be PAINFULLY and immediately obvious to everyone in within a mile of that location.
And, if it's not, then God has used magic to achieve his ends, and that, my friend, is "lunacy."
good, then you seem to support the statement as correct.
The Scientists or the Thests who thinks Cold Fusion is a fact, will find soon find out by the Science that it aint. The Scientists or the Thests who think evolution is a fact, will find soon find out by the Science that it is.The Scientists or the Thests who think doing unto others as you would not want to be done unto you is alright, will soon find out by the clear expression of humanitarianism, they are wrong.
Indeed, science and humanism stand on their own merits.
I am reluctant to waste my time with a person who could not produce a shread of support for his own personal definitions.
When you can prove the definitions and quotes I gave you from wikipedia and the others sources are incorrect; you will have moved out of your own little fantasy world.
More than one truth....
Spoken like a good relativistic thinker should....
Spoken like a good relativistic thinker should....