The Invisible Hand That Limits Your Trading

Quote from Rande Howell:

I like you. Don't know you. But admire that you ground your assessments in observable assertions. It keeps you out of the virtual world of ungrounded claims and counter claims. Thank you for being part of this conversation. Maybe we should talk. I will be speaking Tuesday morning at 8 AM at Traders Expo in NYC. I will also have a booth there. Would like to meet you.

Rande Howell

Jack Hershey is a nut-job. Eighty plus years of age, no house to his name, deep in debt from unpaid taxes, failed miserably at a trading contest and quit without completing it due to heavy losses, and living under the delusion that he is a master trader. As a mental health professional, I would think you would be able to spot a crazy person.
 
JD

I need to correct an inaccuracy in the below post

Truth is;

I don’t suspect price will go up

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Truthfully;

I don’t know if the trapped longs will puke and exit – driving price further down… or if they will add more in an attempt to bring price back up

I don’t know if shorts will pile on more – driving price down further… or begin covering and bring price up


I have no clue – absolutely none……

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I lied when I said I suspect price would go up – truth is I don’t know….

I am in a position to exploit it which ever way it goes..., but that in no way lessens the fact I lied.


My sincerest apologies to you..., and everyone who read the below post….

RN



Quote from Redneck:

Well JD

I trade LVS because it is on a “very” short list of stocks I trade over and over and over and over and over


I invest in oil and gold, and a very few others… in a separate investment account


I suspect it will go up – too many are fuked right now


But – its yet to break 50, and hold


I suspect some volatility coming, and I don’t have a high confidence in it breaking out the monthly range to the upside anytime soon


Good news is Monday – I’ll trade it again with a completely clear perspective


I did think the earnings we’re going to be good, and well received

Btw – this trade lost me a few K… the over all trade - :)

Oh I never woudashouldacoulda - any more...


eta I was thinking someone would ask the obvious question - what the hell am I doing swing trading my day trading account - any takers

RN
 
Quote from Redneck:



The truth is simply the truth – it is neither good nor bad…

RN

I completely agree with you.

I know there are others who would respond by saying "one man's truth is another man's discourse" but this strays away from the sheer simplicity of your statement above.

Without realizing it, we all are susceptible to applying judgments or conditions to simple statements and these conditions are apt to convert a positive utterance into a self limiting belief and bite us on the ass, no matter what our intentions were at the time.

Straying every so slightly from the subject [or perhaps not as the Reader may perceive], I have recently viewed two great movies.... well I think they are great.

"Secretariat" is the story of a Woman with an unshakable belief and a horse who did not know he had any limitations. Either someone forgot to tell him, or he went ahead and did the seemingly impossible anyway.

"The King's Speech" is the story of two unlikely strangers who went on to forge an enduring friendship based upon complete unconditional trust.

It is wonderful how positive people and positive situations rub off on us.
The one commonality I have come to see and admire of positivity is the simplicity of it.
Simple things are kept simple and complicated things are reduced to their simple basic parts.
 
Quote from Eight:

Lots of the "invisible hand" is lies that we believe from abusive and evil people.. the trick is to brush them off and continue with a good plan in hand...

The moment I detect that somebody is not supportive or is opposed to what I want to do I drop them like a bad habit.. same goes for the psychologically sabotaging folk... dropped like bad habits every one...

Good for you. I don't see so mucg evil and abusive people -- what I see is what I call adaptive mindlessness. People are born into, adapt to, and mindlessly continue the embedded script. Never knowing to question and recreate.

Rande Howell
 
Quote from Roark:

Jack Hershey is a nut-job. Eighty plus years of age,

Jack is not eighty plus years of age and he assured me he's not a nut job. :D
 
cold,you're making great progress,you've limited your attacks to jack only,must be a big hurdle for you,keep at it, i've got faith in you
 
Quote from Redneck:

LVS
I had 500 shares remaining yesterday – after the close earnings came out (which I knew about) then price proceeded dropped like a rock – whereas I thought?? price may try and test the monthly high


I tried to work my way out of it today – Thinking it would see some sort of bounce to 48.67 / 48.44.which I would have been happy at 48.20

I exited at 46.81 @ 13.34 pm

RN

I respectfully submit this to newer traders


In Summary……

LVS gapped down overnight coming off earnings last Thursday night– I was long

Friday morning at the open I added more in an attempt to work out of the position – it failed

I sat in a losing position all morning Friday, till it broke out of a range to the downside and hit my stop


Since then price has returned / rose above my stop price ($46.81) ~ five times…, but never returned to make this trade overall profitable… nor even break even….

I would still be in a loser - had I not exited....

AND expended a hellofa lot of psychological capital along the way...

Holding a loser wears you down... it also handicaps you as a trader...

You lose your agility..

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Moral of the story

Set your stops and honor them

Price may very well return at a later date – tough… forget it and move on

Price could return to a point – that would give you hope your losing position is going to become a profitable – learn to let it go… and move on….


Sometimes price will make your position profitable… but rest assured there are other times it won’t…

This typically occurs when you can least afford to lose more - than what you already have..... I know


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Bottom Line

Trading will flat fuck with your mind – if you allow it…

Don’t… It’s simply the way the game is designed (make the most lose)….

Bounce price back and forth enough, surely all but the most resolute will fold – at a loss….

And of course there are the traders who will hold onto a loser forever – because they are simply too scared to exit (deer in the headlights syndrome)…

Or price has moved in their direction sufficiently to give them another shot of (H)opium – keeping their fantasy alive that this trade will turn profitable…….. ultimately they end up losing more

SCREW THAT………………….


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Trade what is directly in front of your face….ignore all else…, like a horse with blinders on

Exit when it’s time

Go look for the next trade…..

Repeat…

And never hold regrets… they only hold you back…..

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I realize this is all way easier said than done…. But if you can get a handle on it… it will go a long way toward helping you make it as a trader


Just some free food for thought…

RN
 
RH

Throw me a bone for heaven sakes - Please

I hate being a nag, or a beggar.....

Thanks
RN




Quote from Redneck:

RH,

Keeping your head – while all around are losing theirs

Remaining calm, cool and collected – under fire

Remaining productive – under pressure


Goes by a lot of descriptions



Any suggestions on how to create…, grow…, and utilize this skill…

And/ or how to turn it on/ off – at will




As you can imagine I have my own thoughts on how to do this… but what the heck do I know….


Thank You Sir

RN
 
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