The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart

[trefoil]

Quote from Matt8200:

I have no idea where you came up with this formula or what it is suppose to mean. You need to explain it better and tell how it was derived.

What models are you referring to and I have not dodged or obfuscated anything, that would be you and Dave. I have asked many questions which require answers to be able to prove the predictions climate change. These questions are still left unanswered.

It's the forcing formula for CO2. Honestly, how do you post on this subject without knowing something so basic?

Formula: 5.35 * ln(ending CO2/starting CO2) * .08, .08 being the temperature change induced by all of the preceding. This yields .71 K (or C, same thing for this discussion) as the expected change given CO2 levels for 2003 - 373.17, over CO2 levels for 1959, 315.98.

And I'm done. I have spent more time than I should on this stuff, and you guys think 2nd hand posting of someone else's work is somehow superior to getting the data in hand yourself and doing some actual work yourself.
I just hope you don't trade this way.
Good luck and goodbye.

 

[Matt8200]

I am sorry I do not know every forumla the IPCC has ever published.

So let me get this straight, you are taking a formula that gives W/m^2 muliplying it by .08 K (I have no idea why) and somehow getting an answer in units of K?

Science works by reference other peoples work and build upon it rather than post random formulas, changing the units in it and then claiming it means something.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Actually, I didn't. Ice cores are perfectly valid.

Why? Because they don't just come from the antarctic, and the ones from Greenland, for example, have confirmed other ice cores and have allowed scientists to produce global averages.

Ice cores that only come from the antarctic, though, are regional data only.

Regional data, eh?

You knew that it's generally accepted that CO2 is pretty much evenly distributed around the globe, right? Hence the arguments about CO2 emissions in one country vs another if those guys don't reduce, etc etc....

I can't believe you're squeaking about regional data again, when you humiliated yourself so thoroughly about the MWP/LIA being regional only, when Huang's 2008 study - a study you referred to - says that they were global.

At any rate substitute any graph you like. The results remain the same.

 

[drjekyllus]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/g8_summit

"White House officials confirmed that President Barack Obama agreed to language supporting a goal a goal of keeping the world's average temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)."

Well this is great. Obama decided that the temperature can't rise more than 2 degrees. Can someone explain exactly how this works? The Obama administration also said if we pass the stimulus unemployment won't go above 8%. If Obama can't control unemployment how is he going to control the weather. Is it just me, or is this idea of controlling the weather the most asinine thing Obama has ever attempted?

 

[TGregg]

Quote from drjekyllus:

[Well this is great. Obama decided that the temperature can't rise more than 2 degrees. Can someone explain exactly how this works? The Obama administration also said if we pass the stimulus unemployment won't go above 8%.

Behold the magic and power of "Create or Save":

"Since passing Cap & Trade last year, I have created or saved 8 degrees (C) of global cooling just in the past year."

It doesn't matter what He does or doesn't do, or what the global temps do. The One can take credit for any cooling. If the temps rise, He claimd the temps would be much higher if He hadn't acted - He takes credit for them not being higher.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from TGregg:

Behold the magic and power of "Create or Save":

"Since passing Cap & Trade last year, I have created or saved 8 degrees (C) of global cooling just in the past year."

It doesn't matter what He does or doesn't do, or what the global temps do. The One can take credit for any cooling. If the temps rise, He claimd the temps would be much higher if He hadn't acted - He takes credit for them not being higher.

Spot on.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Haroki:

Regional data, eh?

You knew that it's generally accepted that CO2 is pretty much evenly distributed around the globe, right? Hence the arguments about CO2 emissions in one country vs another if those guys don't reduce, etc etc....

You're confusing a conversation about temperature with a conversation about CO2.

I can't believe you're squeaking about regional data again, when you humiliated yourself so thoroughly about the MWP/LIA being regional only, when Huang's 2008 study - a study you referred to - says that they were global.

The MWP was not. The LIA likely was. I'm afraid you've misunderstood the paper.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from drjekyllus:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/g8_summit

"White House officials confirmed that President Barack Obama agreed to language supporting a goal a goal of keeping the world's average temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)."

Well this is great. Obama decided that the temperature can't rise more than 2 degrees. Can someone explain exactly how this works? The Obama administration also said if we pass the stimulus unemployment won't go above 8%. If Obama can't control unemployment how is he going to control the weather. Is it just me, or is this idea of controlling the weather the most asinine thing Obama has ever attempted?

Weather is not climate. Weather is local, climate is global. Now that we know how global climate roughly reacts the problem can be addressed.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from TGregg:

Behold the magic and power of "Create or Save":

"Since passing Cap & Trade last year, I have created or saved 8 degrees (C) of global cooling just in the past year."

It doesn't matter what He does or doesn't do, or what the global temps do. The One can take credit for any cooling. If the temps rise, He claimd the temps would be much higher if He hadn't acted - He takes credit for them not being higher.

A good president once said that it's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit.

Stop caring whether he gets the credit.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Weather is not climate. Weather is local, climate is global. Now that we know how global climate roughly reacts the problem can be addressed.

Ohhhh my fault, Obama does not plan to change the conditions in one small locality, his plan will change the weather worldwide. Nice. I am eager to see how this scam is going to work. It seems likely that in order to control the climate a whole lot of money is going to be coming out of my pocket and going in the pockets of Obama and his cronies. Afterall, money is what this debate is about.