The Fine Tuning of the Universe

you need to stop (implicitly or explicitly) asserting science speculation is fact.
You certainly do make false accusations...that's one.

I have stated a few hundred times...
and you've rejected, blindsided and ignored a few hundred times everything that shows the same videos you keep tolling don't provide anything that could resemble a logical support for your "Creator" unless your "Creator is big G Gravity. Posting the same old stuff over and over again might also get your sorry trolling ass suspended.:p
 
Yes, you're on to something I have contemplated myself. Still while we may be part of, are we equal to whatever the prime driver might be? If not, and it's a if for sure, then are we judged? My opinion, I think not, as it really doesn't make sense to judge your creation if it/we doesn't live up to your expectations, and even less sense if it does. But again, this thing is under no obligation to make any sense at all, at least to our primitive minds.

Makes sense.

Looking at it that way , with the Universe as totality of everything, it does seem at least incongruous if not outrageously narcissistic for it in the form of us, to be separating out its own concepts to worship as a divinity.
 
Nice diversion troll. I caught you lying misrepresenting science again and you then paste a sentence out of context.. Discuss the context of the accusation moron. We that fact or speculative theory you asserted as fact. You are such a troll.


Next, I am not providing support for my Creator. I am providing support for the fact that science has found evidence of a creator. We are discussing the science of the fine tuning of the fundamental constants of the universe in these threads.

and its not the videos its the fine tuning of the fundamental constants discussed by the physicists in those videos.

You should be ashamed of yourself for lying about science stu.

Tim Folger quoted cosmologist Bernard Carr: "If you don't want God, you'd better have a multiverse."

or

http://crossexamined.org/god-or-multiverse/

♦ Many scientists are highly critical of this approach of trying to indirectly affirm the multiverse. However, some skeptical scientists seem willing to accept this approach because it seems to be the only way to avoid the design implications of the fine-tuning. Polchinski, a leading string theorist, acknowledges that “anthropic reasoning runs so much against the historic goals of theoretical physics that I resisted it long after realizing its likely necessity. But now I have come out.”[6] Susskind claims that “the stakes are to accept the [string] landscape and the dilution in the scientific method it implies or give up science altogether and accept intelligent design (ID) as the explanation for the choices of parameters of the standard model.”[7]





You certainly do make false accusations...that's one.


and you've rejected, blindsided and ignored a few hundred times everything that shows the same videos you keep tolling don't provide anything that could resemble a logical support for your "Creator" unless your "Creator is big G Gravity. Posting the same old stuff over and over again might also get your sorry trolling ass suspended.:p
 
Nice diversion troll. I caught you lying misrepresenting science again and you then paste a sentence out of context.. Discuss the context of the accusation moron. We that fact or speculative theory you asserted as fact. You are such a troll.
It's easy to see when you're cornered, you always start with the name calling.
The sentence is not out of context and I've not asserted any speculation as fact. All you can ever manage successfully - is the making of false accusations.

Next, I am not providing support for my Creator. I am providing support for the fact that science has found evidence of a creator. We are discussing the science of the fine tuning of the fundamental constants of the universe in these threads.
Already said, if science has found evidence of a creator, then that creator is gravity.
And how come you're suddenly using creator with a small c now:D

You should be ashamed of yourself for lying about science stu.
Yet another false accusation, but just change the last word in that to jem, then you will have written something honest for once.

Anyone with half a braincell knows you don't make an argument stand up for a Creator or for ID, or for any other nonsense, because some science or other is not yet verified.

It's very unintelligent of you to keep trying.
 
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Nice diversion troll. I caught you lying misrepresenting science again and you then paste a sentence out of context.. Discuss the context of the accusation moron. We that fact or speculative theory you asserted as fact. You are such a troll.


Next, I am not providing support for my Creator. I am providing support for the fact that science has found evidence of a creator. We are discussing the science of the fine tuning of the fundamental constants of the universe in these threads.

and its not the videos its the fine tuning of the fundamental constants discussed by the physicists in those videos.

You should be ashamed of yourself for lying about science stu.

Tim Folger quoted cosmologist Bernard Carr: "If you don't want God, you'd better have a multiverse."

or

http://crossexamined.org/god-or-multiverse/

♦ Many scientists are highly critical of this approach of trying to indirectly affirm the multiverse. However, some skeptical scientists seem willing to accept this approach because it seems to be the only way to avoid the design implications of the fine-tuning. Polchinski, a leading string theorist, acknowledges that “anthropic reasoning runs so much against the historic goals of theoretical physics that I resisted it long after realizing its likely necessity. But now I have come out.”[6] Susskind claims that “the stakes are to accept the [string] landscape and the dilution in the scientific method it implies or give up science altogether and accept intelligent design (ID) as the explanation for the choices of parameters of the standard model.”[7]

No jerm, science has not found evidence of a creator or that man made global warming is false. You are really really wrong. About so many things.
 
a. ok sturool...
show us the science that says Gravity created the universe.
and note... when quoting hawking for this... show us the full page of the quote in context... you will see its in the context of the multiverse speculation.
This is my proof you were asserting speculation as science fact.

b. the fine tunings of the standard model of physics... is science... it is fact... many constants are tuned to over 20 decimal places... in fact the the cc is tuned to over 120.

that it is so fine tuned is the evidence of a Designer.

Note I did not say proof.... but evidence.

you trolls need to think.

finally you need to argue with the scientists and the math scholars about this... not me.

Penrose is one of the top minds in the world....







Not at all silly.
An eternal universe of nothing by which one or many embryonic universes constantly and spontaneously come into existence (quantum fluctuation) and collapse again until one or many evolve with the parameters a universe needs to exist in this way or that.
The cause of a universe to start, form and evolve, (the creator) indeed not called by the name God or Allah or whatever, but called by its real name, Gravity.
Just like living organisms tune themselves to survive in and by their surroundings, so too the Universe. That way no need for any god or fine tuning by anything other than the prevailing environment and the Universe itself.
 
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see? I told you, it's all about science. A bunch of nerds with bad facial hair. Now they are bitching about what we should call god.

As a man who has experienced His power many times (especially as a child during my aircraft construction days) I would have no problem worshipping Gravity. I was thinking about worshipping the Sun. But without Gravity the Sun I love and need so much wouldn't last long.
 
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It's pretty trippy when you think about it. Imagine a universe with no gravity. It's formless and void just like the good book says. And then this guy, Gravity comes on the scene, and before you know it you have a big bang.
 
I MEAN REALLY! Imagine a universe with no gravity. It would just go on and on for eternity. Nothing would hold it together. A world without end. Not sure where all the energy would come from, but hey! In a world without Gravity who needs energy?

And some say, if we keep doing like we have been doing, everything will get so far apart that even Gravity won't be able to save us.

And then what?
 
I MEAN REALLY! Imagine a universe with no gravity. It would just go on and on for eternity. Nothing would hold it together. A world without end. Not sure where all the energy would come from, but hey! In a world without Gravity who needs energy?

And some say, if we keep doing like we have been doing, everything will get so far apart that even Gravity won't be able to save us.

And then what?
my guess is Gravity was always there, silently providing us with comfort and stability and hope, but someday if you get too close to a black hole you will see the full force of His fury.
 
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