The Deniers told us COVID doesn't hurt Children

[gwb-trading]

How many kids have gotten "Long COVID"?

Let's look at the U.K. which has devoted significant resources to identifying and studying Long Covid cases.

"The latest ONS report, released earlier this month, showed over 117,000 children live with long Covid in the UK, 117,000 that could be living with symptoms of Covid for the rest of their life."

'Much worse than anything else': Expert on the hidden impact long Covid has on children
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1582833/covid-long-covid-symptoms-children-ons-report


But none of this should be news to you... this particular has been posted to this thread previously -- while studies have been provided to you pointing out the numbers and devastating impact of Long Covid.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Let's look at the U.K. which has devoted significant resources to identifying and studying Long Covid cases.

"The latest ONS report, released earlier this month, showed over 117,000 children live with long Covid in the UK, 117,000 that could be living with symptoms of Covid for the rest of their life."

'Much worse than anything else': Expert on the hidden impact long Covid has on children
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1582833/covid-long-covid-symptoms-children-ons-report


But none of this should be news to you... this particular has been posted to this thread previously -- while studies have been provided to you pointing out the numbers and devastating impact of Long Covid.

Do you have a link to the ONS reported that has the actual data to be read? Because the report is suspiciously absent from the "news" article.

As for Deepti Gurdisani as an "expert", you would be hard pressed to find a more rabid Covidian (sans yourself and a few others like Eric Feng Dui or whatever his name is, or that Leanna weirdo on CNN who suddenly changed her mind recently when she saw polling results), so its not surprising that is the "evidence".

I'd rather read the ONS report in its entirety, if you've got it. Let me guess..."go read"?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495702946516025344

 

[gwb-trading]

Do you have a link to the ONS reported that has the actual data to be read? Because the report is suspiciously absent from the "news" article.

As for Deepti Gurdisani as an "expert", you would be hard pressed to find a more rabid Covidian (sans yourself and a few others like Eric Feng Dui or whatever his name is, or that Leanna weirdo on CNN who suddenly changed her mind recently when she saw polling results), so its not surprising that is the "evidence".

I'd rather read the ONS report in its entirety, if you've got it. Let me guess..."go read"?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495702946516025344

The link to the latest ONS Long Covid data in the U.K has been provided many times. Here it is once again.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...coronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/3march2022

Your silly game is getting old. There is no reason to provide the information over and over and over again to amuse you.

 

[wrbtrader]

Let's look at the U.K. which has devoted significant resources to identifying and studying Long Covid cases.

"The latest ONS report, released earlier this month, showed over 117,000 children live with long Covid in the UK, 117,000 that could be living with symptoms of Covid for the rest of their life."

'Much worse than anything else': Expert on the hidden impact long Covid has on children
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1582833/covid-long-covid-symptoms-children-ons-report


But none of this should be news to you... this particular has been posted to this thread previously -- while studies have been provided to you pointing out the numbers and devastating impact of Long Covid.

That's the flaw with "how many children / adolescents" have Long Covid because the only measurement we have is by a small subset of the population that was part of a study or research group.

Simply, most initial Pediatric Covid cases are mild illnesses (e.g. cough, running nose, a little fatigue), especially with Omicron. Many of it goes unreported by the family except for cases that the Covid infection spreads to other family members like the adults or people went to emergency care due to the Covid illness became more serious.

With Omicron, many families in the United States and Canada were sent those free home Covid tests and told to self-isolate / quarantine if positive. Thus, I doubt people called their Doctor or some number to report a positive test for a mild illness like a cough, running nose, or a little fatigue until the Covid illness progressed into something more serious that required medical treatment.

Thus, a study / research group of lets say 200,000 children / adolescents with Long Covid does not imply those are the only individuals with Long Covid. Instead, those are the ones that volunteered to be part of the study.

My neighbors entire family became infected with Omicron and all of them only had a mild illness. They only had one of those free Covid home test kits and they recovered quickly without needing any further medical care.

• I did ask them if they reported their test results to the local public health agency of Québec. They responded that it was not needed because it was very mild.

Now if one of them develops long-term symptoms like consistent breathing problems, consistent headaches that last several weeks or months after they no longer have Covid. There's a good chance they will be treated for that illness and it will not get diagnosed as Long Covid unless it developed from a Covid infection that required hospitalization or required medical treatment.

wrbtrader

 

[Tsing Tao]

The link to the latest ONS Long Covid data in the U.K has been provided many times. Here it is once again.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...coronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/3march2022

Your silly game is getting old. There is no reason to provide the information over and over and over again to amuse you.

Please show me where I asked previously for the link to this information. If you can show me where I have asked to see this data, and you provided it, I will thoroughly apologize. But I suspect you never provided it to me.

And I'm not about to go through your thousands of daily posts to find something.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Let's look at the U.K. which has devoted significant resources to identifying and studying Long Covid cases.

"The latest ONS report, released earlier this month, showed over 117,000 children live with long Covid in the UK, 117,000 that could be living with symptoms of Covid for the rest of their life."

'Much worse than anything else': Expert on the hidden impact long Covid has on children
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1582833/covid-long-covid-symptoms-children-ons-report


But none of this should be news to you... this particular has been posted to this thread previously -- while studies have been provided to you pointing out the numbers and devastating impact of Long Covid.

So, thank you for providing me with the ONS report that supposedly substantiates the claim of Long Covid being so prevalent in the under 18 population as claimed in this article.

Problems I have with the "data" (direct from the report, verbatim):

• The estimates presented in this analysis relate to self-reported long COVID, as experienced by study participants who responded to a representative survey, rather than clinically diagnosed ongoing symptomatic COVID-19 or post-COVID-19 syndrome in the full population.
  

Ah. So you're OK with using data that supports your narrative that is direct from individuals self-reporting they don't feel well still, but you immediately discount VAERS data because of the "self-reported" aspect of the vaccine reaction. Seems really inconsistent to me. I'm sure you have a reasonable explanation (yeah right).

• Of people with self-reported long COVID, 344,000 (22%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 less than 12 weeks previously, 1.1 million (71%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 at least 12 weeks previously, and 685,000 (45%) first had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 at least one year previously.
  

Well now. So people could have reported "long covid symptoms" without even clinically being tested to see if they had COVID? Suspected they had COVID? So, did we just prove the level of hypochondriacs in the population? You don't have to prove you had COVID, you don't have to prove you have anything at all, you just "self report" that you had COVID and you still feel bad 4 weeks or more later. Very scientific!

• Long-COVID symptoms adversely affected the day-to-day activities of 989,000 people (65% of those with self-reported long COVID), with 281,000 (18%) reporting that their ability to undertake their day-to-day activities had been "limited a lot".
  

I wonder how many had Long COVID to get out of working and claim disability? Because we know that never happens here in the US.

• Fatigue continued to be the most common symptom reported as part of individuals' experience of long COVID (51% of those with self-reported long COVID), followed by shortness of breath (35%), loss of smell (34%), and loss of taste and difficulty concentrating (both 25%).
  

So a bit more than half of those self proclaiming to have had COVID and now have Long COVID actually said "I'm tired" as proof of it. I see. Well, I don't sleep all that well (neck and back pain from martial arts) the last few years, I must have had long COVID from before COVID was a thing.

What a complete and total joke.

 

[gwb-trading]

Please show me where I asked previously for the link to this information. If you can show me where I have asked to see this data, and you provided it, I will thoroughly apologize. But I suspect you never provided it to me.

And I'm not about to go through your thousands of daily posts to find something.

Just how many articles on Long Covid do I need to post which include the data sources -- many of them focused on Long Covid and children-- before you actually read one. At this point --- it is obvious that Long Covid is a significant issue including with children... yet you quibble over the point and re-direct.

Let's get back on subject -- Are you denying that Long Covid is a significant issue with children?

By the way Long Covid is much more common in unvaccinated children (which has been documented in numerous posted articles & studies).

In the future when you ask for a Citation... here is what you will get.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Just how many articles on Long Covid do I need to post which include the data sources -- many of them focused on Long Covid and children-- before you actually read one. At this point --- it is obvious that Long Covid is a significant issue including with children... yet you quibble over the point and re-direct.

Let's get back on subject -- Are you denying that Long Covid is a significant issue with children?

By the way Long Covid is much more common in unvaccinated children (which has been documented in numerous posted articles & studies).

In the future when you ask for a Citation... here is what you will get.

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Whenever you provide me a citation to a conversation we are having, I almost always read it.

The problem is that you rarely do it, and respond with "Go read". When you do that, it isn't my job to go find your proof. I don't get involved most of the time with conversations you are having with others, and I don't spend my days reading through all of your posts all day every day. I know this comes as a shock to you.

So when you make a point, if we haven't discussed it, I'm going to ask you for proof already. If I ask you for proof for something when you've shown me proof in the past, then you have a case, and I give you my word I will apologize.

By the way, I'd expect the exact same from you.

if you just want to show me a picture of your car (by the way, that was funny), that's fine too. But don't expect it will gain your credibility to provide strength to the claim you are trying to force upon us.

 

[gwb-trading]

Whenever you provide me a citation to a conversation we are having, I almost always read it.

The problem is that you rarely do it, and respond with "Go read". When you do that, it isn't my job to go find your proof. I don't get involved most of the time with conversations you are having with others, and I don't spend my days reading through all of your posts all day every day. I know this comes as a shock to you.

So when you make a point, if we haven't discussed it, I'm going to ask you for proof already. If I ask you for proof for something when you've shown me proof in the past, then you have a case, and I give you my word I will apologize.

By the way, I'd expect the exact same from you.

if you just want to show me a picture of your car (by the way, that was funny), that's fine too. But don't expect it will gain your credibility to provide strength to the claim you are trying to force upon us.

Are you denying that Long Covid is a significant issue with children, Tsing Tao? Second Request.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Are you denying that Long Covid is a significant issue with children, Tsing Tao? Second Request.

Yes, I am. Sorry I didn't answer you earlier. "Significant" is a subjective term. I'll elaborate that I do not believe it is "significant" enough to take the vast preponderance of children and destroy their lives accordingly.

Please note that I answer your questions, it isn't always the case when I ask you questions (as this and other threads are evidence of).