Neither is what Turveyd is doing.
The Coronavirus Is Here Forever
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Neither is what Turveyd is doing.
Lets see if you can understand basic logic!!!
If you jab 100% by force of the people on the planet
Then in 5years find that everyone jabbed has died 100% of them.
Then what has your side done??
I'll spell it out to you, they have wiped out the entire human race.
Unless you've got a time machine and you can zip forward 100years and guarantee that's not going to happen, discluding this as a possibility no matter how remote should not be written off, saving 0.02% from a Covid Death, is simply not work risking losing 100%
Come on debate the moral's of this, rather than standing on your PC lies hatred moral high ground.
I stand by the scientists, yes proper been right about everything, 75% of the double jabbed will be dead within 3years, there is simply no other reason to create this level of fear to push a jab that clearly doesn't work.
DEBATE?? Prove your worth!!
p.s off for a swim, back 2hrs!!
This guy is good, watch some video's educate yourself, every literally he's said last 18months has come true, ignore the BS on Wiki there trying hard to discredit him
https://vernoncoleman.org/
I partically like Covid is a HOAX, your forcing people to take a Jab for a HOAX, it's a 2nd Flu Corona that go around every 4 - 6 years, nothing major no worse than others in the past.
https://vernoncoleman.org/
I partically like Covid is a HOAX, your forcing people to take a Jab for a HOAX, it's a 2nd Flu Corona that go around every 4 - 6 years, nothing major no worse than others in the past.
KC, could you post passages from your links that characterize specifically the case law and or cases that illustrate your point?
Guessing he's not Jewish, he's sounding mighty concentration campy with am oven based theme, didn't thst go well for Hitler
I am sure that more harm has been done to readers on ET following the advice of self proclaimed high IQ traders then any medical advice provided on this forum. Because people come here for trading advice and not medical advice
Its wrong for anyone to make decisions based on conclusions posted here about Covid or trading
KC, I have seen just as preposterous claims made about trading in these forums
Please throw your weight at the harm being done by these postings....Their are readers who have experienced serious financial harm from reading some of these posts
Financial harm leads to bad health outcomes
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Ken, you have supporters with you on this against misinformation, but paying to get rid of the other side?
I mean one can make a case that you are just are ridiculous as @Turveyd so be careful here.
When it comes to public health and safety I want to do the right thing. I can't in good conscience remain a sponsor of any place where dangerous covid deniers are welcome to post potentially harmful misinformation.
I am certain other sponsors feel the same. Is an exodus pending.
See terms of service updates at all major social media sites.
Baron, and all, read:
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/covid-19
https://about.fb.com/news/2020/12/coronavirus/
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en
COVID-19 medical misinformation policy
https://feeds.aarp.org/health/condi...cks-coronavirus-misinformation.html?_amp=true
I am certain other sponsors feel the same. Is an exodus pending.
See terms of service updates at all major social media sites.
Baron, and all, read:
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/covid-19
https://about.fb.com/news/2020/12/coronavirus/
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en
COVID-19 medical misinformation policy
https://feeds.aarp.org/health/condi...cks-coronavirus-misinformation.html?_amp=true
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Hey Ken...
Lets put that IQ to work. And consider the trade... consider the magnitude of the risk and the outcomes.
Facts to consider:
Data:
95% of people in ICU had co morbidity (per CDC study posted this week...here)
Age is a massive factor in ICU and death per every study but it was not counted as a risk factor above... so skew those results to the very old if you really want to gauge the risk... its skewed toward old fat people with co morbidities... massively. Which almost every ER and ICU doc would have told in the beginning before it got political.
Far more people have been infected and exposed than the % positives we saw.
For instance 66% of India tested positive for Covid antibodies and since not everyone tests positive for antibodies... we may conclude almost everyone in India out and about was exposed.
I would bet the same holds true for the U.S. but more were vaccinated.
From the limited data released we have seen 3x to 5x as many people were exposed to the original waves than showed up as tested positive in the data that was shared.
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Immune System Mitigation of Risk
96 percent in ICU had vitamin D deficiency per CDC study shared here in the past.
Recent studies show sufficient D may prevent infection and severe symptoms.
Natural immunity 13 fold better than vaccine immunity and 7 fold better at
protecting from Severe Covid... per this weeks study.
Consistent exercise also may help prevent symptoms.
Really anything that would prevent your immune system from going into a Cytokine storm
is probably going to be very beneficial at reducing your risk of Covid problems.
Societal Risks
1. People with vaccination can still spread virus.
2. High risk vaccinated may be fertile breeding grounds for more deadly virus.
3. High risk unvaccinated may also be... but it would be based on laws of nature.
4. Spread happens mostly if not entirely from the symptomatic... if you look at the studies. The ones claiming otherwise are guesses by experts or models... if they really had proof... there would be contact tracing proof. (this could have changed during Delta... but I never saw the headlines...saying so.)
5. Clothe masks and Surgical mask only work at 12% efficiency or less... while clean. Masks did not protect spread... because few people use useful masks properly. Maybe one in a few thousand had a properly fitted clean n95.
Individual assessments...
And let's say your last cold was 20 years ago, and you work out everyday. You go to beach lot and started water sports again.
And family members already had covid.... and you knew from talking to ER docs in the middle of it... that they knew that it took about 15 minutes exposure to a very symptomatic person during the first wave to get really sick. (in general).
So you did very little to protect yourself... almost happy to be hit with low doses for short periods of time.
Are You really going to risk all that for a temporary spike in your antibodies...which may hook you into needing boosters for life and the potential for a screw up causing ADE?
What is your conclusion... you think I shoud risk all the potential downsides for what I deem very slight almost zero risk of ICU?
My Conclusion...
I respect your decision making...for you...especially if you may have a compromised immune system...but I know the high risk vaccinated are potentially a bigger risk during a pandemic than the low risk.
Please keep your moral judgements suspended until we have a few years worth of data.
Lets put that IQ to work. And consider the trade... consider the magnitude of the risk and the outcomes.
Facts to consider:
Data:
95% of people in ICU had co morbidity (per CDC study posted this week...here)
Age is a massive factor in ICU and death per every study but it was not counted as a risk factor above... so skew those results to the very old if you really want to gauge the risk... its skewed toward old fat people with co morbidities... massively. Which almost every ER and ICU doc would have told in the beginning before it got political.
Far more people have been infected and exposed than the % positives we saw.
For instance 66% of India tested positive for Covid antibodies and since not everyone tests positive for antibodies... we may conclude almost everyone in India out and about was exposed.
I would bet the same holds true for the U.S. but more were vaccinated.
From the limited data released we have seen 3x to 5x as many people were exposed to the original waves than showed up as tested positive in the data that was shared.
---
Immune System Mitigation of Risk
96 percent in ICU had vitamin D deficiency per CDC study shared here in the past.
Recent studies show sufficient D may prevent infection and severe symptoms.
Natural immunity 13 fold better than vaccine immunity and 7 fold better at
protecting from Severe Covid... per this weeks study.
Consistent exercise also may help prevent symptoms.
Really anything that would prevent your immune system from going into a Cytokine storm
is probably going to be very beneficial at reducing your risk of Covid problems.
Societal Risks
1. People with vaccination can still spread virus.
2. High risk vaccinated may be fertile breeding grounds for more deadly virus.
3. High risk unvaccinated may also be... but it would be based on laws of nature.
4. Spread happens mostly if not entirely from the symptomatic... if you look at the studies. The ones claiming otherwise are guesses by experts or models... if they really had proof... there would be contact tracing proof. (this could have changed during Delta... but I never saw the headlines...saying so.)
5. Clothe masks and Surgical mask only work at 12% efficiency or less... while clean. Masks did not protect spread... because few people use useful masks properly. Maybe one in a few thousand had a properly fitted clean n95.
Individual assessments...
And let's say your last cold was 20 years ago, and you work out everyday. You go to beach lot and started water sports again.
And family members already had covid.... and you knew from talking to ER docs in the middle of it... that they knew that it took about 15 minutes exposure to a very symptomatic person during the first wave to get really sick. (in general).
So you did very little to protect yourself... almost happy to be hit with low doses for short periods of time.
Are You really going to risk all that for a temporary spike in your antibodies...which may hook you into needing boosters for life and the potential for a screw up causing ADE?
What is your conclusion... you think I shoud risk all the potential downsides for what I deem very slight almost zero risk of ICU?
My Conclusion...
I respect your decision making...for you...especially if you may have a compromised immune system...but I know the high risk vaccinated are potentially a bigger risk during a pandemic than the low risk.
Please keep your moral judgements suspended until we have a few years worth of data.
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