The Consequence of Sin - The Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah

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Genesis 13:12-13, Genesis 18:16-33, and Genesis 19:1-26

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10

http://www.bethelcampusfellowship.org/bible-study/2007/10/28/lessons-from-soddom-and-gomorrah/
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Thanks for the Bible quotes, By Hi-sell low ;
hope they are never outlawed.

Aso check with the book of the prophet Ezekiel, Peter;
pride,
& and as an example,
was other reasons for the fire & brimstone destruction.

And they were warned also;
some of the residents did take the warning seriously/escaped . Lots wife did not get it exaclty right-salt turn around time:cool:
 
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Thanks for the Bible quotes, By Hi-sell low ;
hope they are never outlawed.

Aso check with the book of the prophet Ezekiel, Peter;
pride,
& and as an example,
was other reasons for the fire & brimstone destruction.

And they were warned also;
some of the residents did take the warning seriously/escaped . Lots wife did not get it exaclty right-salt turn around time:cool:
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the story of lots wife is a primitive myth. how much of a goober do you have to be to believe it actually happened?
 
Quote from Barth Vader:

I have either worded my question to you poorly, or misunderstood your answer to nutmeg.

Do you acknowledge that under your "zeitgeist" an individual act of non-compliance against an established set of "rules of conduct" is in most instances, an act of will ? A conscience act of non-compliance.

Where this will to act "comes from" is irrelevent, for the question at hand.
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Did you mean a conscious act act of non-compliance? If so, in your use of the wrong word "conscience", lies the answer to your question I think.

"I have no choice but to honestly follow my conscience."

Personally I could not stoop to devoting conscious recognition to a pretend all-knowing, all-powerful father figure in a story book, who creates faulty humans and sets about warning, threatening, killing and torturing them because a talking snake is supposed to have said something once, and so the father figure blames his ignorant children for believing it, although they had no free-will and were incapable of making a choice not to, therefore he has them kill his own son who is actually not his son - but himself, so he thinks it works to then say he can forgive his children for something they did not really do.

I don’t think one makes a willful decision to not take seriously or refuse bible bullshit .
Having a conscience toward upholding decent basic levels of integrity should first come into play well before any willful individual act of non-compliance against a murderous psychopath might kick in.
 
Personally I could not stoop to devoting conscious recognition to a pretend all-knowing, all-powerful father figure in a story book
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I can accept that. But I do wonder, that suppose your child was in critical condition in the hospital and the Dr.s tell you, there is nothing medicine has to offer. I again suppose the next course of action is too just do nothing. Have lunch or read a book, and call the praying fools, fools.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

Personally I could not stoop to devoting conscious recognition to a pretend all-knowing, all-powerful father figure in a story book
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I can accept that. But I do wonder, that suppose your child was in critical condition in the hospital and the Dr.s tell you, there is nothing medicine has to offer. I again suppose the next course of action is too just do nothing. Have lunch or read a book, and call the praying fools, fools.
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an educated thinking person would know from the evidence that in all other cases where the parents of a dying child prayed nothing happened. i suppose as an act of desperation praying would do no harm but to actually believe there is some unseen deity in the sky that cares about your child after he, if he exists, has demonstrated millions of times in other cases similar to yours that he could care less is not rational.
the repulsive thing about situations like this is that the christian religion teaches that if you prayed and nothing happened it must be your fault. you didnt have enough faith or something. the gilt is transfered back to the grieving parent making them feel even worse about their situation.
But I do wonder, that suppose your child was in critical condition in the hospital and the Dr.s tell you, there is nothing medicine has to offer. you pray, you get your whole church to pray, you organize an internet prayer chain and the whole world prays for your child. as happens in every case the child dies. what do you do? go to church the next sunday like nothing happened?


"Meanwhile, where is God? This is one of the most disquieting symptoms. When you are happy, so happy that you have no sense of needing Him, so happy that you are tempted to feel His claims upon you as an interruption, if you remember yourself and turn to Him with gratitude and praise, you will be — or so it feels — welcomed with open arms. But go to Him when your need is desperate, when all other help is vain, and what do you find? A door slammed in your face, and a sound of bolting and double bolting on the inside."
CS Lewis "A grief observed".
 
Quote from misterno:

What kind of sick fuck wanna stick their dick into another man's ass? Thus, Sodom and Gomorroh is justified. Let them go to hell
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not all gay people fuck eachother in the butt, some just give blowjobs and handjobs ... :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex#Prevalence_2

main reason why most gay people are gay, even though they might not admit it, is because; sex comes easy and fast with no strings attached

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"Advice columnist Dan Savage wrote that he believes all men should try pegging at least once, as it may introduce them to a new enjoyable sexual activity and illuminate them to the receiver's perspective in sex."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegging_(sexual_practice)

What kind of sick fuck wanna stick their strap-on-dildo into a man's ass? :D

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I think the world is more fucked up than some of us assume it to be ...
 
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I can accept that. But I do wonder, that suppose your child was in critical condition in the hospital and the Dr.s tell you, there is nothing medicine has to offer. I again suppose the next course of action is too just do nothing. Have lunch or read a book, and call the praying fools, fools.
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I would say those circumstances would not call for the next course of action to include having lunch, reading a book, nor indulging myself along with those who default toward the foolish practice of self-serving superstitious prayer rituals to an imaginary deity in a pretence to be doing something.

Succumbing to emotional God blackmail is in my view worse than doing nothing. My conscience requires me to be more thoughtful than that.
 
Quote from stu:

Did you mean a conscious act act of non-compliance? If so, in your use of the wrong word "conscience", lies the answer to your question I think.
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Yes! Thank you for catching that.
 
At first I didn't want to post on this thread as it makes me doubt my own faith (lots of good arguements here).

All I can say is I grew up in a catholic family with extremely strong faith. My family has seen more than there share of heartaches in the past and through all this time they have been very religious (especially my old man). And in the end its amazing how everything always seems to turn out ok. I have the best family in the world and my life is great.

I guess I feel comfort in knowing that theres somebody up there watching over me and that no matter whats going on in my life he knows about it (which takes a load off knowing that you don't have to deal with your problems all on your own).
 
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