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The Consequence of Sin - The Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
- Thread starter ByLoSellHi
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young. if what you believe is true and happening we should be able to use our computers and run a statistics program and see that believers have fewer bad things happen to them than nonbelievers. newsflash. it has been done. there is no difference. how do you rationalize evidence that falsifies what you believe?Quote from youngtrader:
At first I didn't want to post on this thread as it makes me doubt my own faith (lots of good arguements here).
All I can say is I grew up in a catholic family with extremely strong faith. My family has seen more than there share of heartaches in the past and through all this time they have been very religious (especially my old man). And in the end its amazing how everything always seems to turn out ok. I have the best family in the world and my life is great.
I guess I feel comfort in knowing that theres somebody up there watching over me and that no matter whats going on in my life he knows about it (which takes a load off knowing that you don't have to deal with your problems all on your own).
does intellectual honesty have no value to you?Quote from nutmeg:
how do you rationalize evidence that falsifies what you believe?
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I can rationalize that my attitude toward what I believe (in spite of the newsflash) provides the best course of action to follow in my life.
Quote from youngtrader:
At first I didn't want to post on this thread as it makes me doubt my own faith (lots of good arguements here).
All I can say is I grew up in a catholic family with extremely strong faith. My family has seen more than there share of heartaches in the past and through all this time they have been very religious (especially my old man). And in the end its amazing how everything always seems to turn out ok. I have the best family in the world and my life is great.
I guess I feel comfort in knowing that theres somebody up there watching over me and that no matter whats going on in my life he knows about it (which takes a load off knowing that you don't have to deal with your problems all on your own).
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Quote from vhehn:
young. if what you believe is true and happening we should be able to use our computers and run a statistics program and see that believers have fewer bad things happen to them than nonbelievers. newsflash. it has been done. there is no difference. how do you rationalize evidence that falsifies what you believe?
How could a study demonstrate this or disprove this.
The faith that YT talks of may affect the actions of him and his family members, which produces a different result than if they had no faith - in other words - the study you speak of is flawed in that it doesn't qualify or quantify the effects faith has on a family like YT has, because the study you reference would have to be able to qualify and quantify how they'd fare without the faith they possess you have only compared families and/or individuals (different families and/or individuals) with and without faith, in order to be reliable.
And once you do that, then you could start studying whether there's any externalities involved because of or despite faith...
many studies have been done in the area of health and wealth and divorce rates. there is no difference in the lives of believers and non believers. in fact in the area of wealth there is a negitive correlation between strong belief and income.Quote from ByLoSellHi:
How could a study demonstrate this or disprove this.
The faith that YT talks of may affect the actions of him and his family members, which produces a different result than if they had no faith - in other words - the study you speak of is flawed in that it doesn't qualify or quantify the effects faith has on a family like YT has, because you'd have to be able to qualify and quantify how they'd fare without the faith they possess.
And once you do that, then you could start studying whether there's any externalities involved because of or despite faith...
with a large population sample size it will take into account your question.
you really dont need to go much farther than a hospital to prove that faith and prayer have no value. there have been dozens of studies showing no difference between believers and non believers in health outcomes.
Quote from vhehn:
many studies have been done in the area of health and wealth and divorce rates. there is no difference in the lives of believers and non believers. in fact in the area of wealth there is a negitive correlation between strong belief and income.
with a large population sample size it will take into account your question.
you really dont need to go much farther than a hospital to prove that faith and prayer have no value. there have been dozens of studies showing no difference between believers and non believers in health outcomes.
I don't know the answer, so I'm asking, but has this study been critiqued or disproven?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/485268.stm