The Confederate Monuments

Here is another equivalency... I should be able to walk along with your female family member and call her a slut or a whore anytime I want all day. why ban it? I will just go and talk about her in private, isn't it better that I get to scream it at her all day long out in the open and mark myself?

This isn't even close to the same argument. But you're going to believe what you want, and you're not going to budge one inch from your position. So believe whatever the hell you want.
 
Democrats made a fatal mistake by aligning themselves with the crazy liberal left. Hope they understand their serious mistake come November.

Hey dipshit, did you return your CARES Act ACH deposit? Either you received it or you don't have a checking account. WalMart bill pay doesn't count.
 
This isn't even close to the same argument. But you're going to believe what you want, and you're not going to budge one inch from your position. So believe whatever the hell you want.


The Nazi flag should be banned, there really is not good argument to support letting people just fly it.. you tried to make one but there really is not a good one.
 
Review for maintenance work surely?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/us/chicago-statues-abraham-lincoln.html
Chicago Lists Lincoln Statues Among Monuments to Review
A city commission, created after protests against racism last year, identified five statues of Abraham Lincoln among 41 monuments that should receive public scrutiny.

The review comes as other U.S. cities have made similar efforts to re-examine historical symbols and monuments that have come under new scrutiny in the wake of protests against racism and police violence. Last year, local leaders took down statues of Christopher Columbus and Confederate leaders, among other monuments, and last month, the San Francisco school board voted to remove the names of modern and historical figures, including Lincoln and George Washington, from 44 of its public schools.

The committee in Chicago did not provide specific reasons that the statues of Lincoln, who started his political career in Illinois, should be reviewed. The list also includes statues of Ulysses S. Grant, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and several monuments to Indigenous people.

The committee said it had looked at 500 monumental sculptures, commemorative plaques and other pieces of public art in the city, almost all of which were created between 1893 and the 1930s. Forty-one were chosen for “public discussion,” the committee said, for reasons that included “promoting narratives of white supremacy”; the presentation of “inaccurate or demeaning characterizations of American Indians”; and memorializing historical figures with connections to racist acts, slavery and genocide.

Other reasons given were that the markers presented “selective, oversimplified, one-sided views of history” and created “tension between people who see value in these artworks and those who do not.”

“We invite you to review the artworks that have been identified, suggest others, and to share your opinions on the role of monuments in Chicago’s public spaces,” the committee, an advisory group of the “Chicago Monuments Project,” said on the effort’s website.

The project described its mission as grappling “with the often unacknowledged — or forgotten — history associated with the City’s various municipal art collections and provides a vehicle to address the hard truths of Chicago’s racial history.”
 
Review for maintenance work surely?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/us/chicago-statues-abraham-lincoln.html
Chicago Lists Lincoln Statues Among Monuments to Review
A city commission, created after protests against racism last year, identified five statues of Abraham Lincoln among 41 monuments that should receive public scrutiny.

The review comes as other U.S. cities have made similar efforts to re-examine historical symbols and monuments that have come under new scrutiny in the wake of protests against racism and police violence. Last year, local leaders took down statues of Christopher Columbus and Confederate leaders, among other monuments, and last month, the San Francisco school board voted to remove the names of modern and historical figures, including Lincoln and George Washington, from 44 of its public schools.

The committee in Chicago did not provide specific reasons that the statues of Lincoln, who started his political career in Illinois, should be reviewed. The list also includes statues of Ulysses S. Grant, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and several monuments to Indigenous people.

The committee said it had looked at 500 monumental sculptures, commemorative plaques and other pieces of public art in the city, almost all of which were created between 1893 and the 1930s. Forty-one were chosen for “public discussion,” the committee said, for reasons that included “promoting narratives of white supremacy”; the presentation of “inaccurate or demeaning characterizations of American Indians”; and memorializing historical figures with connections to racist acts, slavery and genocide.

Other reasons given were that the markers presented “selective, oversimplified, one-sided views of history” and created “tension between people who see value in these artworks and those who do not.”

“We invite you to review the artworks that have been identified, suggest others, and to share your opinions on the role of monuments in Chicago’s public spaces,” the committee, an advisory group of the “Chicago Monuments Project,” said on the effort’s website.

The project described its mission as grappling “with the often unacknowledged — or forgotten — history associated with the City’s various municipal art collections and provides a vehicle to address the hard truths of Chicago’s racial history.”


I wish they would leave Lincoln and Grant alone:mad:
 
I wish they would leave Lincoln and Grant alone:mad:

If you haven't been drinkin', you might want to read this about Lincoln.
https://www.nprillinois.org/post/li...-didnt-advocate-racial-equality-was-he-racist
Lincoln & Race: The Great Emancipator didn't advocate racial equality. But was he a racist?
Lincoln the politician did not recognize blacks as his social or political equals and, during his years as a lawyer and office seeker living in Illinois, his opinion on this did not change.
During the 1840s, when Lincoln was establishing himself in Springfield’s legal, political and social circles, he was a frequent guest in the homes of individuals who held slaves.
Abraham and Mary Lincoln employed two black women as domestic servants in their home.
In an 1855 slander suit, Lincoln represented William Dungey, a man with a dark complexion, who was struggling to prove his whiteness and maintain the privileges of white citizenship.
In 1847, Lincoln defended Robert Matson, a Kentucky slaveholder, who had brought five of his slaves with him to Illinois. While in Illinois, Jane Bryant, her son and her three daughters escaped from Matson and petitioned for their freedom. Matson retained Lincoln, who used the doctrine of comity, arguing that property owners could take their property (including their slaves) anywhere in the country as long as they were in transit and not in permanent residence in a free state.
In the first of the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates in Ottawa in August 1858, Lincoln countered Douglas’ accusation by stating: “I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is physical difference between the two, which in my judgment will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality.”
 
The story today of the Josephus Daniels statue being taken down in Nash Square in Raleigh at the request of the family is interesting. Josephus Daniels was the first publisher of the Raleigh News & Observer for decades - his paper promoted white supremacy.

"Daniels bought The New & Observer in 1894 with financial help from fellow supremacist Julian S. Carr and used the newspaper to propagandize against what they and others of the day feared as the scourge of “Negro domination.” Daniels helped foment the November 1898 race riot in Wilmington that overthrew an elected mixed-race government and resulted in the killings of at least 60 Black residents. It is credited with ushering in the Jim Crow era in North Carolina that disenfranchised Blacks for decades."

The article is interesting and worth a read...

Statue of Josephus Daniels, publisher and white supremacist, removed from Raleigh square
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article243559272.html

The family of Josephus Daniels, former News & Observer publisher, U.S. Navy secretary and lifelong white supremacist, removed a statue of him from Raleigh’s Nash Square Tuesday morning.

“The time is right,” said Frank Daniels III, a former executive editor of The N&O who drove from his home in Nashville, Tenn., to watch the removal of the monument to his great-grandfather. “I don’t think anyone would say that it’s not the appropriate time to move the statue of Josephus to a more appropriate location.”

(More at above url including history)

Some more information on the 1898 Wilmington coup.

'The wound hasn't healed': Activists recount 1898 Wilmington coup that terrorized Black residents
The campaign claimed hundreds of Black lives as thousands more fled the city.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wound-hea...-wilmington-coup-terrorized/story?id=96955381
 
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