The 95% consensus is now just 43%

[jem]

which is another way of saying there is no peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causes warming... so it is really all speculation and guesswork.

1 percent or 99 percent does not really matter until you show us some peer reviewed science saying man made co2 causes warming.

This post misquotes the study. You can read it here: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/es501998e

57% of these respondents being "less than 95% sure" hardly suggests that they don't think anthropogenic causes are the primary drivers; it simply shows that, as good scientists, they recognize that complete certainty is not easy to come by.

This post is a disingenuous representation of the results of the study.

 

[futurecurrents]

which is another way of saying there is no peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causes warming... so it is really all speculation and guesswork.

1 percent or 99 percent does not really matter until you show us some peer reviewed science saying man made co2 causes warming.

Don't even bother trying David. Jem has selective blindness. Bad. And basically he is a liar. Lawyer/liar same thing.

 

[WeToddDid2]

 

[WeToddDid2]

This post misquotes the study. You can read it here: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/es501998e

57% of these respondents being "less than 95% sure" hardly suggests that they don't think anthropogenic causes are the primary drivers; it simply shows that, as good scientists, they recognize that complete certainty is not easy to come by.

This post is a disingenuous representation of the results of the study.

The "95% consensus" or is it "98% consensus" is disingenuous.

 

[jem]

you fricken troll liar. its one thing for you drone lie your ass off about agw crap.
its another another for you to call me a liar.

fc is a liar so he thinks everyone else lies. Liars think you have to go through life that way.

Just like he can't produce peer reviewed science to show man made co2 causes warming.
He won't produce any lies by me.
If I make a mistake I will admit it.

Don't even bother trying David. Jem has selective blindness. Bad. And basically he is a liar. Lawyer/liar same thing.

 

[David S]

which is another way of saying there is no peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causes warming... so it is really all speculation and guesswork.

1 percent or 99 percent does not really matter until you show us some peer reviewed science saying man made co2 causes warming.

Jem-The vast majority of Climate Scientist are PRETTY DARN SURE that anthropogenic causes are driving Climate Change. They are not 100% sure because it is nearly impossible to be so sure in regards to something this vast.

For just a moment, let's pretend that they are right. Anthropogenic causes are behind Climate Change. We have the ability to avert said Climate Change by altering some human behaviors. If we do not change these behaviors, humanity will be killed off (or profoundly decimated) by Climate Change.

Again, these are some pretty smart folks saying, "We are PRETTY DARN SURE that human activity is causing this Change, and if we don't stop it, we're going to die." Do you need 100% certainty, or is it worth taking their word and trying to avert disaster?

 

[David S]

The "95% consensus" or is it "98% consensus" is disingenuous.

With the gravity of what is at stake, does it matter the precise level of certainty in the scientific community? Or is it enough to say, "This is profoundly dangerous, and Climate Scientists LARGELY agree on causes"?

With the future of humanity on the line, it seems worth it to me to sacrifice a touch of statistical certainty. What do you think?

 

[futurecurrents]

I would add that over 97% are 100% certain that man is causing most of the warming over the last fifty years. Most of them are certain that man's release of the important greenhouse gas CO2 which has raised it's levels by 42% is causing unnatural and rapid warming. The reason the are certain is because it is simple obvious logical and observed science.

 

[jem]

please produce the science that makes them pretty darn sure.

the peer reviewed papers I find ... many which have been presented here show the sun and the tides have a lot do with warming and cooling.

The recent guesses we see with respect to co2 are based on the idea it can amplify warming. A few years ago there were guesses it could impact clouds causing warming... but then cloud research shows clouds can also cause cooling

So in short we have no real idea if man made co2 causes warming, cooling or nothing... when you look at the science.

So would I respect these guys opinion if they were not paid to have... sure.
But even then I would want to see the science not failed models.

Do you have any peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causes warming.

We don't need to debate whether we are warming outside natural variation right now.
lets just stick to peer reviewed science.

Now... for background... you should know I do believe in preserving and conserving the environment. I just would like to see some peer reviewed science before we surrender more freedom to cap and trade exchange owners and govt officials.

Jem-The vast majority of Climate Scientist are PRETTY DARN SURE that anthropogenic causes are driving Climate Change. They are not 100% sure because it is nearly impossible to be so sure in regards to something this vast.

For just a moment, let's pretend that they are right. Anthropogenic causes are behind Climate Change. We have the ability to avert said Climate Change by altering some human behaviors. If we do not change these behaviors, humanity will be killed off (or profoundly decimated) by Climate Change.

Again, these are some pretty smart folks saying, "We are PRETTY DARN SURE that human activity is causing this Change, and if we don't stop it, we're going to die." Do you need 100% certainty, or is it worth taking their word and trying to avert disaster?

 

[gwb-trading]

I would add that over 97% are 100% certain that man is causing most of the warming over the last fifty years. Most of them are certain that man's release of the important greenhouse gas CO2 which has raised it's levels by 42% is causing unnatural and rapid warming. The reason the are certain is because it is simple obvious logical and observed science.

This is 97% of 79 people they magically proclaimed to be "climate scientists" out of over 3000 scientists in one survey done years ago.

All the recent surveys of scientists show that a mere 53% support AGW -- a figure that is sinking every year.