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Thank you United States Of America
- Thread starter WAEL012000
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Quote from WAEL012000:
Hahahah you hypocrite...Would you accept Palestinian refugees who are suffering the same exact fate, in identical environment and similar threat as the darfur people?
Wael, are you totally deranged? The Palestinians are suffering indeed... but their suffering is self-inflicted and totally avoidable, it's entirely up to them to end their suffering, all they need to do is implement UN resolution 242, recognize Israel, make peace with it and negotiate permanent borders in good faith. The arab world's explicitely stated and repeatedly reaffirmed "No peace, No recognition and No negotiations" attitude towards Israel is fully responsible for the suffering of the palestinian people.
Moreover their suffering (largely occupation related inconveniences) doesn't even come close to the suffering of Sudanese civilians. Hundreds of thousands of sudanese women and children have been murdered by muslim extremists. And it's the little satan (Israel) that accepts a small number of sudanese refugees, it's the great satan that accepts 7,000 Palestinian families. The arab world is too busy bashing the great and the little satan and counting their oil revenue to help their own muslim brethren.
But I still do. Why did "all of the surrounding Arab states refuse" to accept 7,000 Palestinian families? Why did the great satan accept them?
I'll answer your question when you answer why did the whole world decide to dump your newly converted khazaris on the shores of my homeland and my people
So you have no explanation of why the arab world did not accept 7,000 palestinian families. Well, I am not surprised, there are no good answers.
Quote from dddooo:
Wael, are you totally deranged? The Palestinians are suffering indeed... but their suffering is self-inflicted and totally avoidable, it's entirely up to them to end their suffering, all they need to do is implement UN resolution 242, recognize Israel, make peace with it and negotiate permanent borders in good faith. The arab world's explicitely stated and repeatedly reaffirmed "No peace, No recognition and No negotiations" attitude towards Israel is fully responsible for the suffering of the palestinian people.
Not only that you are a hypocrite... You are also delusional!
You know that it is your state that has been stalling on UNSCR 242. You know that the PLO has agreed to the terms of the 242 Resolution and you know that it is your hyper thieving state that is violation of that resolution by illegally expanding and building illegal settlements in occupied land. Recognize Israel? Heck...You recently had it in you to recognize me as a Palestinian never mind recognizing my authority which is an administrative one and not near a viable state. Make peace? It is you who rejected the olive branch extended to you in the Arab league conference of Beirut and Riyadh. We have told you, the Arab states told you, that will will fully normalize relations with your pariah state provided you you withdraw to the 1967 borders (i.e out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip), give us the right of self determination, allow us to build our own state over the West Bank and Gaza strip and allow the people who were expelled from their homes to return to their land RATHER THAN WELCOME DARFUR REFUGEES WHO NEVER SET FOOT IN OUR LAND BEFORE ANNNNNNNNNNNNNND AGREE TO ALL OF THE UN RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU ARE IN VIOLATIONS OF INCLUDING UNSCR242
Moreover their suffering (largely occupation related inconveniences) doesn't even come close to the suffering of Sudanese civilians. Hundreds of thousands of sudanese women and children have been murdered by muslim extrimists. And it's the little satan (Israel) that accepts a small number of sudanese refugees, it's the great satan that accepts 7,000 Palestinian families. The arab world is too busy bashing the great and the little satan and counting their oil revenue to help their own muslim brethren.
No? do tell you the great liar! So when you wipe 450 towns and villages off the face of the earth, ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian women and children by literally shoving them into buses and trucks and dumping them on the borders and by committing 55 mass massacres against the remaining to compel them to leave so that they could end up in refugee camps and in tents after they lost their land, farms and homes, schools and life. Your stupid attempt to engage Muslims made you forget that these Muslims are killing others Muslims (Darfur people)...something that you elected NOT to mention. It is your filthy state that is so hypocrite...These Sudanese refugees are locked in refugee camps similar to the one that you locked Saphardi Jews in. I really do not think that you will treat them any better than the Falasha Jews that you Khazara fascists discriminate against like in the case of blood dumping and like in the case of housing and employment discrimination. Admit it oh white mighty one; you do not care for anyone except for your like...Zionists who are STRICTLY WHITES.
In regard to the the Palestinian refugees of Iraq, their children are being collected from the streets and their beheaded bodies are found dumped the next day, nightly raids happen to their homes whereby women and girls are raped in front of their parents and then killed and daily mortar shelling to their neighborhoods. Had the number of these Palestinian refugees equal to that of the Muslim refugee people of Darfur, you would've seen the number of death and atrocities increase.
So you have no explanation of why the arab world did not accept 7,000 palestinian families. Well, I am not surprised, there are no good answers.
As much as you have an answer to why you were not allowed entry by the Americans and others.
The Arab states surrounding Iraq, not that I am giving them an excuse, have already accepted their share of refugees that your fascist state dumped on their borders. Jordan has 1.7 Million and Syria has half a million. When both countries are economically restrained, it will be extremely hard for them to take in an additional 400,000 Palestinians. I find it hard to convince the Jordanian and Syrian people to take an additional 400,000 refugees when their original towns and villages are a stone throw away and when they see the Zionist state, who originally caused their problem, is the one refusing them entry to their homeland.
now, why did the US refuse entry to the Khazarahs?!
While I don't have time to rebut your nonsense point by point, here is just a couple of facts - UN resolution 242 does not address the issue of settlments so their expansion does not violate the resolution. The PLO did indeed agree to the terms of the resolution but then Arafat walked away from an extremely generous Clinton/Barak peace proposal without a counter-offer and now the current Palestinian government (Hamas) refuse to recognize previous agreements.Quote from WAEL012000:
Not only that you are a hypocrite... You are also delusional!
You know that it is your state that has been stalling on UNSCR 242. You know that the PLO has agreed to the terms of the 242 Resolution and you know that it is your hyper thieving state that is violation of that resolution by illegally expanding and building illegal settlements in occupied land.
Israel occupying 0.2% of the Middle East accepted and resettled 900,000 jewish refugees from arab countries and millions of refugees from Europe, Russia etc. There is no good reason why oil-rich, wealth arab states refuse to help palestinian refugees.
Quote from dddooo:
While I don't have time to rebut your nonsense point by point, here is just a couple of facts - UN resolution 242 does not address the issue of settlments so their expansion does not violate the resolution. The PLO did indeed agree to the terms of the resolution but then Arafat walked away from an extremely generous Clinton/Barak peace proposal without a counter-offer and now the current Palestinian government (Hamas) refuse to recognize previous agreements.
Israel occupying 0.2% of the Middle East accepted and resettled 900,000 jewish refugees from arab countries and millions of refugees from Europe, Russia etc. There is no good reason why oil-rich, wealth arab states refuse to help palestinian refugees.
Just to show the level of conniving mentality this Zionist display, this is UNSCR 242 word for word;
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 242
NOVEMBER 22, 1967
The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,
Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Affirms further the necessity
For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible."
Our friend dddooo came accusing us of , listen to this, not implementing UNSCR 242.
Obviously, he thought that the settlement of Sudanese Muslim refugees who have no entailment to the land and who, as we are speaking, locked behind fenced wires in concentration camps in Israel IS good substitute as a settlement to the Palestinian refugee problem which was caused by him in the first place.
I especially love the broken record statement "Oh we are a small state in a sea of Arab states, we have accepted this and that and done this and that so our shit should not stink"
Hey buddy, been there...Done that! As I showed in a previous post, you have not accepted Jews who were not Khazarahs... You only collected Jews who were not you for fear that your bluff will be called by the rest of the world that will expose your hypocrisy. And when you collected these Jews, who didn't want to come to your illegal state to start with, you locked them in concentration camps and exposed their children to poisoning radiation that eventually killed thousands of them, snatched other Saphardi Jewish children from their parents and give them to white Jews. I have met MANY of these Yamani Jews who are now re-discovering their identity and the crime that you committed against them you Fascist.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war
Absolutely Wael, that's exactly what I was talking about. Settlements are not "acquisition of territory", settlements were dismantled in the Sinai when peace with Egypt was achieved. Settlements were dismantled in Gaza. Settlements will be dismantled in the West Bank when the Pals are ready to make peace (unless some other border compromise will be negotiated). Settlements don't violate the resolution.
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Fair enough, Israel is expected to give up land in exchange for...
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
And unfortunately in response to this requirement of the resolution the arab world issued the infamous three noes: "No peace with Israel. No negotiations with Israel. No recognition of Israel."
Quote from dddooo:
Absolutely Wael, that's exactly what I was talking about. Settlements are not "acquisition of territory"
Settlements are not an acquisition of territories????????????? Khahahahahahaha! Stupid me! And I thought that they were!! I really did! So, let me ask you; did you thank us when we gave you that land on your birthday?
settlements where dismantled in the Sinai when peace with Egypt was achieved
A mass desert. Settlements were dismantled in Gaza.
A 14 square kilometer territories that even the most radical Zionist (Sharon) didn't want due to the fact that it is the most populated spot on earth. And even then, he pulled his settlements and then sealed the strip from the outside world, including Egypt in an attempt to starve the population...Talk about war crimes!
Settlements will be dismantled in the West Bank when the Pals are ready to make peace (unless some other border compromise will be negotiated).
What you are hiding from the rest of the people in here is that you do not want Palestinians to be ready for peace. and when even Hamas agreed to the previous agreements signed by the PA, you turned your back to them and continued in your acquisition of land, again, in violation of UNSCR 242. When the Arab states called your bluff and told your Fascist state that they are ready for peace, you turned to Condi to try to have them sign separate peace deal agreements with you in an attempt to break their united stand in regard to you pulling from the occupied territories in exchange for full peace and full normalization of relations.
Settlements don't violate the resolution.
Hahahaha! Are you sure? where are these settlements built dddooo? Moon? Mars? or are they built on an occupied land whereby, according to UNSCR 242 the unequivocally states "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory
Fair enough, Israel is expected to give up land in exchange for...
Peace!! And that is what the Palestinians and Arab states offered! Your call buddy!
And unfortunately in response to this requirement of the resolution the arab world issued the infamous three noes: "No peace with Israel. No negotiations with Israel. No recognition of Israel."
You are talking about Al Khartoum Arab league conference?!
Buddy, Mr. liar...Mr. Fake...Mr. Manipulative...That conference was in the wake of the 1967 war. since then, the Arabs have expressed their interest in peace with your states. It is you who is refusing in hope of stealing more land in violation of the world community before you decide to sit down and impose the new reality on us. It is you who is refusing to withdraw from the occupied territories, it is you who is refusing to allow the Palestinian people from establishing their own state, it is you who is refusing the right of return to the Palestinian refugees while accepting Sudanese ones and it is you who is illegally expanding settlements in the territory the you illegally occupy.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Settlements are not an acquisition of territories????????????? Khahahahahahaha! Stupid me!
Indeed you are. Where are the Sinai and Gaza settlements today? Spin it all you want but when the time is right Israel dismantles them.
when even Hamas agreed to the previous agreements signed by the PA
Hamas did not agree to recognize previous agreements signed by PA. You're not fooling anyone.
When the Arab states called your bluff and told your Fascist state that they are ready for peace
The arab states said they were willing to start negotiating with Israel after Israel withdraws from the territories and meet a bunch of other demands and pre-conditions. That's a PR stunt, and a pretty lousy and obvious one at that, that's not a serious political move.
Quote from dddooo:
Settlements are not an acquisition of territories????????????? Khahahahahahaha! Stupid me!
Indeed you are. Where are the Sinai and Gaza settlements today? Spin it all you want but when the time is right Israel dismantles them.
Buddy...You are a very manipulative man. We talk about your illegal settlement in the West bank, you avoid the subject and talk about some isolated posts in Sinai desert. Anyone who reads through the succession of posts will see how much of a fake and a fraud you are.
Hamas did not agree to recognize previous agreements signed by PA. You're not fooling anyone.
Are you sure??
Five key Cabinet posts â including the all-important Interior Ministry which ostensibly oversees security forces â will go to "independents." Under the power sharing plan Hamas agrees to "respect" previous agreements with Israel.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7299390
In assigning Haniyeh the task of forming a new government, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, a Fatah leader, stated its platform must conform with "international resolutions" and "respect" previous agreements signed with Israel.
http://416-777-7777.com/News/article/179943
âBy signing up to the agreement Hamas, for the first time, expressed its readiness to accept all previous agreements signed by Israel, in particular the Oslo Agreement and the road map [to peace],â he said. âThis is a dramatic political development and a radical change within Hamas.â
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=5574
Ahhhhhhhhhm
The arab states said they were willing to start negotiating with Israel after Israel withdraws from the territories and meet a bunch of other demands and pre-conditions. That's a PR stunt, and a pretty lousy and obvious one at that, that's not a serious political move.
And that is why I thought the Arabs are wasting their time! You see, the Israeli government is made out of manipulative people like you dddooo. If the Arab leaders dropped their pants, bent over and gave the choice to your leaders to chose the type of lubricant to use...You will not be satisfied.
What you are missing is that the map of power has been changing! The old rusty tanks held by the classical Arab leaders are being substituted by men who do not mind staying in a barrel for 3 days only to come out in front of you and teach you a thing or two. The Arab leaders were looking at you to help them help you but you are so drunk with Zionist arrogance to understand.
British Jews and Christians fall out over bulldozer boycott.
February 23rd, 2006 by Neil T.
Thereâs a bit of a tizz going on here in the UK between the Church of England, the largest Christian denomination in Britain, and the Jewish community, over the CofEâs recent decision to disinvest from Caterpillar, who make construction machinery. The decision was made due to the use of Caterpillar bulldozers by the Israeli army for clearing Palestinian homes in the West Bank and Gaza, which as far as I know is in contrevention of United Nations agreements.
This Guardian article explains the situaton, but essentially the chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, has accused the CofE of commiting anti-semitism as a result of this decision, and that it âset back Anglican-Jewish relations by 70 yearsâ. This argument, in my mind, is a load of old bunkum. Hereâs a Venn Diagram to illustrate my point:
Venn Diagram
<img src=http://www.neilturner.me.uk/uploads/jewsisrael.png>
Note that the diagram is almost certainly not to scale, but I think it does illustrate the point Iâm trying to make here.
In other words, just because youâre Jewish, does not mean you believe that what Israel is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is right. Iâm not taking sides with regard to the Middle East Conflict, but I think itâs a bit rich to assume all Jews support the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land. No sane person would say all Muslims are terrorists, so why bracket all Jews in the same way?
Iâm sure some will be Jews who do think that this boycott is anti-semitic, and while Mr Sacks is entitled to his opinion he should not do so in a capacity whereby he claims to represent all British Jews. Because Iâm pretty sure that he does not.
February 23rd, 2006 by Neil T.
Thereâs a bit of a tizz going on here in the UK between the Church of England, the largest Christian denomination in Britain, and the Jewish community, over the CofEâs recent decision to disinvest from Caterpillar, who make construction machinery. The decision was made due to the use of Caterpillar bulldozers by the Israeli army for clearing Palestinian homes in the West Bank and Gaza, which as far as I know is in contrevention of United Nations agreements.
This Guardian article explains the situaton, but essentially the chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, has accused the CofE of commiting anti-semitism as a result of this decision, and that it âset back Anglican-Jewish relations by 70 yearsâ. This argument, in my mind, is a load of old bunkum. Hereâs a Venn Diagram to illustrate my point:
Venn Diagram
<img src=http://www.neilturner.me.uk/uploads/jewsisrael.png>
Note that the diagram is almost certainly not to scale, but I think it does illustrate the point Iâm trying to make here.
In other words, just because youâre Jewish, does not mean you believe that what Israel is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is right. Iâm not taking sides with regard to the Middle East Conflict, but I think itâs a bit rich to assume all Jews support the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land. No sane person would say all Muslims are terrorists, so why bracket all Jews in the same way?
Iâm sure some will be Jews who do think that this boycott is anti-semitic, and while Mr Sacks is entitled to his opinion he should not do so in a capacity whereby he claims to represent all British Jews. Because Iâm pretty sure that he does not.