Texas vs. California

Quote from cgroupman:

CA has income tax, high sales tax, high sales tax, and if you live there, I guess you like taxes. Not you, Mr. Eight, just anyone who continues to live there. A bit hypocritical to say you're against taxes.

But, I do love California, nice place to live except for the taxes.

c

Hi pal. Its cool to see you again.

Look, you said earlier that TX is a bad state for traders. But just out of curiosity, isn't texas one of the most powerfull physical trading capital in the world? I mean, I thought it was one the most powerful trading capital in the world for Oil, Gas, agriculture, technology, Cattle etc..

Also from what I understand, TX have couple of the most important sea ports of the worlds like the Houston Ship Channel. And is the world's largest OTC center for energy and commodities. So, why did you said that is a bad place to trade?..

Regards-
 
Quote from Messi007:

Hi pal. Its cool to see you again.

Look, you said earlier that TX is a bad state for traders. But just out of curiosity, isn't texas one of the most powerfull physical trading capital in the world? I mean, I thought it was one the most powerful trading capital in the world for Oil, Gas, agriculture, technology, Cattle etc..

Also from what I understand, TX have couple of the most important sea ports of the worlds like the Houston Ship Channel. And is the world's largest OTC center for energy and commodities. So, why did you said that is a bad place to trade?..

Regards-

I already asked him the question and got no response. I'll give him credit, it's better to say nothing then to make shit up. Although, I guess that is what he did on his first comment. Hey, he's learning at least.
 
Sorry to be harsh on you. But you now shit about Christianity. Jesus DID talk about abortion and he was NOT a liberal by anymeans. And Don't forget that his is sitting now at the right of his father (just being sarcastic here jeje).

Taking into account that for Christians, Jesus was God, you can start with the 6 Commandment “You shall not murder".


John 14:6
Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 19:14
14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Anyway, Abortion has and is killing over 40 millions babys since 1995. I don't think that Jesus or Ala (or whatever is your religion) is happy with that.

The funny thing is that socialist don't believe in God, but they love to say that Jesus was a socialist.

BTW: Jesus also said: "Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's"

That doesn't sound like a Obama speech jeje.


Quote from sfbayarea:

I'm not for Pelosi. I'm actually an independent that has drifted to the left since Bush Jr. You can thank Bush Jr. for getting Obama elected. That's one thing you can blame on Bush Jr. One thing I can't stand about the GOPs nowadays so how much they try to push abortion onto everything all under the guise of religion. Got news for you, Jesus was a liberal, not a GOPper. Jesus never spoke up about abortion either. If it was so important to God and Jesus, he would've mentioned it. He talked about helping the poor and less fortunate. Something that Romney need not concerned about and much of the elite GOPs don't care about but claim to be Christians. LOL

You are a typical Southerner. Culturally still angry at the FED government over state's rights. First slavery and then them moving in on the civil rights issues of the 60's. Still want state's rights over FED. Yep.. didn't we have that war a while ago? The north will always beats the south. I can see it in your rants. You're not much different than my aunt's husband who is from Georgia. Deep down cultural resentment of the north and how the government controls the south. Those attitudes never go away in the south.

GOPers nowadays have nothing to add but to rant and call names. No facts.. well if there were facts, they would be half-truths or lies learned from Murdoch television. That's just all they do, call this radical or leftist. This or that.. nothing really behind it.. Just words rhetortic to get those in the right to increase their hate towards Obama.

All I can say is that the recent crop of GOPpers are at least the most entertaining group I've seen on TV since football sunday. I was entertained by Gov. Ricky, Herman Cain, Bachmann. I'm still entertained by who is in there now. I'm entertained by Romney talking like a geek and mentioning being in a state as a kid when he wasn't even born yet. LOL. Not sure if they were auditioning for Comedy Central or President.

Funny how Gov. Ricky was so anti-abortion that he ranted about China having abortions. No one in China cares about abortions when you are in a country with over a billion people like China and India and with fewer resources, you don't care if there was one less kid born. Typical, Ricky wants to push his views onto others (mandatory ultrasounds) but don't want FEDs pushing theirs onto him.
 
Brilliant as usual!.



Quote from Maverick74:

That is so false I don't even know where to begin. I don't know if you are a trader, but I'll explain to you what happened. Grey Davis decided as governor to fix the price of energy in CA. In other words, he put in a ceiling for energy in CA. That made CA a net seller of energy at a certain price. The problem however is that when CA ran out of their own energy, they had to go into the open market to buy it. That price was not fixed, it was floating based on supply and demand.

So let's say they were sellers at 50. That means they sold energy at 50 to the people of CA. Most of the time they could produce it for less then that in their state. However, when they couldn't they often had to pay 100, 300 or 800 in the open market. So they are net sellers at 50 and they are getting squeezed when they had to buy it from outside the state.

Now, did Enron understand this? Of course they did. Everyone in the industry knew that CA was this ass backward state that tried to fix energy prices. And everyone gamed the system. When the blackouts occured, the marketpllace squeezed CA. I would do the same thing, so would you. In fact, this happens every single day in the market. Take a look at the chart of SHLD. Small float, heavily shorted. When the stock squeezes, the market goes after the shorts because there are no shares for them to buy to cover their position. And don't tell me you would be a nice guy and offer to sell energy at below market prices. You, like Enron and everyone else would sell at the highest price you possibly could.

It was the dumbest move maybe in the history of CA to fix energy prrices. You can only fix a price if you can fix the entire market. You can't fix the price in one state and then have all the other states floating. It just doesn't work. That Was Grey Davis's fault. Now was Enron also to blame. Sure. They absolutely gamed the system. They knew what the regulatory issues were and they knew CA was vulnerable to price squeezes during blackouts.

CA learned their lesson and I don't think they will ever do that again. And let that be a lesson to all you little socialists out there that think you can fix prices. There will always be a market, black or otherwise. Price controls only lead to shortages. And shortages lead to panics. And panics lead to much much higher prices.

This has nothing to do with CA vs TX though as Enron went bankrupt and cost the state of TX billions. Not to mention when Enron went under they took Dynegy, Calpine and several other firms with them and basically destroyed the entire industry and cost TX massive losses in tax revenues.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

That is so false I don't even know where to begin. I don't know if you are a trader, but I'll explain to you what happened. Grey Davis decided as governor to fix the price of energy in CA. In other words, he put in a ceiling for energy in CA. That made CA a net seller of energy at a certain price. The problem however is that when CA ran out of their own energy, they had to go into the open market to buy it. That price was not fixed, it was floating based on supply and demand.

So let's say they were sellers at 50. That means they sold energy at 50 to the people of CA. Most of the time they could produce it for less then that in their state. However, when they couldn't they often had to pay 100, 300 or 800 in the open market. So they are net sellers at 50 and they are getting squeezed when they had to buy it from outside the state.

Now, did Enron understand this? Of course they did. Everyone in the industry knew that CA was this ass backward state that tried to fix energy prices. And everyone gamed the system. When the blackouts occured, the marketpllace squeezed CA. I would do the same thing, so would you. In fact, this happens every single day in the market. Take a look at the chart of SHLD. Small float, heavily shorted. When the stock squeezes, the market goes after the shorts because there are no shares for them to buy to cover their position. And don't tell me you would be a nice guy and offer to sell energy at below market prices. You, like Enron and everyone else would sell at the highest price you possibly could.

It was the dumbest move maybe in the history of CA to fix energy prrices. You can only fix a price if you can fix the entire market. You can't fix the price in one state and then have all the other states floating. It just doesn't work. That Was Grey Davis's fault. Now was Enron also to blame. Sure. They absolutely gamed the system. They knew what the regulatory issues were and they knew CA was vulnerable to price squeezes during blackouts.

CA learned their lesson and I don't think they will ever do that again. And let that be a lesson to all you little socialists out there that think you can fix prices. There will always be a market, black or otherwise. Price controls only lead to shortages. And shortages lead to panics. And panics lead to much much higher prices.

This has nothing to do with CA vs TX though as Enron went bankrupt and cost the state of TX billions. Not to mention when Enron went under they took Dynegy, Calpine and several other firms with them and basically destroyed the entire industry and cost TX massive losses in tax revenues.

That was one of the most misleading messages here. It says nothing about what ENRON did. You just complained about price fixes. All you said was socialist this or that. Just a long winded blah. CA doesn't have their own power plants. It's not socialist where CA government owns the power industry.

YOU OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT ENRON PURPOSELY CAUSING ROLLING BLACKOUTS TO DRIVE UP PRICES UNDER DEREGULATION. ENRON BOUGHT POWER COMPANIES AND THEY TOLD THE COMPANIES TO TURN OFF THE POWER TO CAUSE PRICES TO SPIKE. IF THAT IS NOT CORRUPT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

ENRON INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BLACKOUTS. THERE'S TAPES OF ENRON TRADERS CALLING TO TELL PEOPLE AT THE POWER STATIONS TO TURN THEM OFF!!!

Funny all these problems occurred after deregulation. Why do you think CA never had rolling blackouts before and after ENRON? LOL

Do you work for Rupert Murdoch because your tactics are similar? Give long speaches and leave out facts so that some gullible people will believe you.
 
Quote from sfbayarea:

That was one of the most misleading messages here. It says nothing about what ENRON did. You just complained about price fixes. All you said was socialist this or that. Just a long winded blah. CA doesn't have their own power plants.

YOU OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT ENRON PURPOSELY CAUSING ROLLING BLACKOUTS TO DRIVE UP PRICES UNDER DEREGULATION. ENRON BOUGHT POWER COMPANIES AND THEY TOLD THE COMPANIES TO TURN OFF THE POWER TO CAUSE PRICES TO SPIKE. IF THAT IS NOT CORRUPT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

ENRON INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BLACKOUTS. THERE'S TAPES OF ENRON TRADERS CALLING TO TELL PEOPLE AT THE POWER STATIONS TO TURN THEM OFF!!!

Funny all these problems occurred after deregulation. Why do you think CA never had rolling blackouts before and after ENRON? LOL

Do you work for Rupert Murdoch because you're tactics are similar? Give long speaches and leave out facts so that some gullible people will believe you.

You are an idiot. California left itself open to be exploited.

The Enron energy traders did not go to jail. They are in Chicago right now working for a well-known hedge fund.

Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling went to jail for dumping their stock when they were telling shareholders there was nothing wrong with the company. Securities fraud. Look it up dumbass.

The same energy traders are doing the same thing and if California is ever so foolish as to deregulate its electricity market the same thing will happen again. Perfectly legal. Talk to Gray Davis you fucking moronic liberal propagandist.
 
Quote from Messi007:

Sorry to be harsh on you. But you now shit about Christianity. Jesus DID talk about abortion and he was NOT a liberal by anymeans. And Don't forget that his is sitting now at the right of his father (just being sarcastic here jeje).

Taking into account that for Christians, Jesus was God, you can start with the 6 Commandment “You shall not murder".


John 14:6
Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 19:14
14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Anyway, Abortion has and is killing over 40 millions babys since 1995. I don't think that Jesus or Ala (or whatever is your religion) is happy with that.

The funny thing is that socialist don't believe in God, but they love to say that Jesus was a socialist.

BTW: Jesus also said: "Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's"

That doesn't sound like a Obama speech jeje.

Where in all those versus does Jesus say a fetus is a full person and a mother cannot choose? Where is the quote by Jesus talking about a mother not being able to choose? Why are you throwing out random phases? Murdoch strategy? Throw out unrelated phrases to confuse others. Who says socialists don't believe in GOD? You're crazy and a false prophet. Socialist is also not the same as being Liberal. Wow.. totally ill-informed or dumb.

Uh hello.. Europe is more socialist than here. Isn't the head of the Catholic Church (The Pope) in Europe?

Facts for you: All the modernized countries in the world have forms of socialism. Name one country that has no forms of socialism? You have no clue. The only ones that don't are poor tribal societies.

Jesus was a liberal. He gave himself up for sinners of the world. Jesus talked about helping out the poor and less fortunate.

Acts 20:35
In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive"

Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Do you even know about Mother Theresa and Saint Francis of Assisi? Something that the GOPers now don't mention. In fact Romney said, he didn't care about the poor. Romney.. "I'm not concerned about the poor because they have a safety net." Does this guy even know what it's like to struggle in life? What do you do if you just became poor, Romney would no longer be concerned?
 
Quote from sfbayarea:

That was one of the most misleading messages here. It says nothing about what ENRON did. You just complained about price fixes. All you said was socialist this or that. Just a long winded blah. CA doesn't have their own power plants. It's not socialist where CA government owns the power industry.

YOU OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT ENRON PURPOSELY CAUSING ROLLING BLACKOUTS TO DRIVE UP PRICES UNDER DEREGULATION. ENRON BOUGHT POWER COMPANIES AND THEY TOLD THE COMPANIES TO TURN OFF THE POWER TO CAUSE PRICES TO SPIKE. IF THAT IS NOT CORRUPT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

ENRON INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BLACKOUTS. THERE'S TAPES OF ENRON TRADERS CALLING TO TELL PEOPLE AT THE POWER STATIONS TO TURN THEM OFF!!!

Funny all these problems occurred after deregulation. Why do you think CA never had any artificial rolling blackouts before and after ENRON? LOL

Do you work for Rupert Murdoch because your tactics are similar? Give long speaches and leave out facts so that some gullible people will believe you.
 
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