Tesla 2023

Cuddles said:
That is exactly the point.



Just because Musk fanboys can't help themselves from making excuses for every dogshit decision Elon makes, it doesn't mean people didn't get killed/hurt due to sloppy engineering. Sloppy engineering that was rolled out on millions of vehicles and got called out by agencies made to protect the public.

Pray tell, how is advertising and overselling "full self-driving" and "autopilot" after multiple promises not fraud?
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Actually it exactly means that. No one has been killed in a Tesla due to sloppy engineering except in rabid Musk hater minds. The software update simply adds a layer of control to FSD to prevent users from gaming the system.

Do you sue Porsche for making vehicles that exceed speed limits? I'm sure you'd like to see that happen.
 
VicBee said:
No one has been killed in a Tesla due to sloppy engineering except in rabid Musk hater minds.
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Possible counterexample.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...esla-self-driving-autopilot-tech/71677637007/
Evidence shows Tesla, Elon Musk ignored autopilot defects that led to fatal crash, judge rules
A Florida judge found evidence that Elon Musk and other Tesla executives turned a blind eye to defects in their self-driving technology.
Hannah Phillips
Palm Beach Post

crashed into a tractor-trailer moments after he let go of the wheel.

Kim Banner sued Musk and his company in 2019 after her husband, Jeremy Banner, died behind the wheel of an autopiloted Tesla Model 3 in suburban Delray Beach. Circuit Judge Reid Scott rejected Tesla's motion to dismiss the wrongful death lawsuit this month, setting the stage for what's expected to be a month-long jury trial.

"This case goes far beyond simple negligence or mistake," said Lake Lytal III, one of Banner's attorneys. "This is intentional conduct, by both the company and Elon Musk, to not fix a defect they knew was killing their customers."

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According to the lawsuit, 50-year-old Jeremy Banner paid $5,000 for the “Enhanced Autopilot,” which promises superior safety over Tesla's standard Autopilot. The father of three activated the Autopilot system, but Banner's attorneys say it failed to detect and respond to the tractor-trailer that drove into his path on State Highway 441 on March 1, 2019.

In a 23-page ruling this month, the judge said Kim Banner had enough evidence to argue Tesla's culpability at trial. Scott also ruled that she can seek punitive damages from the company, which has maintained that neither its technology nor its misleading advertisements were responsible for the crash.

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"You click it, you never see it again. Nobody reads it," said Banner's attorney, Lytal. "You can't hide behind something like that when your company knows your product has a defect that's killing people."

Lytal said the case is "extremely likely" to go to trial, and there have been no realistic talks of settling it outside of court. In the meantime, Banner's attorneys and those representing Tesla and Musk, who did not respond to requests for comment, are scheduled to meet again Friday to discuss which confidential court filings can be unsealed to the public.

The judge previously ordered that all his rulings be confidential, pursuant to a protective order common in product liability cases. They were mistakenly available on the Palm Beach County court clerk's website last week but have since been taken down.
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ph1l said:
Possible counterexample.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...esla-self-driving-autopilot-tech/71677637007/
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This lawsuit hasn't been decided and will go to appeals if necessary. FSD requires vigilance from drivers and FSD has proven safer than human cooperates vehicles . But it's not perfect and will likely require several other iterations before it can get to level 3 and above, including review of the legal implications of what level 3 and above is.

Personally I would never have a system drive me. It may be the future, but not my future.
 
VicBee said:
Actually it exactly means that. No one has been killed in a Tesla due to sloppy engineering except in rabid Musk hater minds. The software update simply adds a layer of control to FSD to prevent users from gaming the system.

Do you sue Porsche for making vehicles that exceed speed limits? I'm sure you'd like to see that happen.
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and no, no one cares if people speed in their Porsches. They care if their Toyotas auto throttle though.
 
VicBee said:
https://x.com/garyblack00/status/1737002243302326568?t=NdNT8jQp5EjqIH0914MFhQ&s=09

$TSLA China insured registrations for the week of Dec 11-17 came in at a monster 18.3K, its third highest week ever, putting China 4Q at 138K with two weeks left, ahead of the entire 3Q and on pace to break the record China 2Q delivs of 156.7K. Source: @piloly @elonmusk @MartinViecha
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And then there was this - From Reuters sorry not FanBoyBlogosphere which prolly means sales were pushed forward a bit so likely no biggie either way, except maybe part about BYD wink, wink:-

Tesla's China-made EV sales skid 17.8% on year in November
Reuters
December 4, 20233:56 AM EST Updated 14 days ago
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A Tesla's electric vehicle (EV) moves on a street in Beijing, China October 31, 2023. REUTERS/Tingshu Wang/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights

BEIJING, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Sales of U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O)'s China-made electric vehicles skidded 17.8% in November from the same month a year earlier, to 82,432 cars, China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) data showed on Monday.

Deliveries of China-made Model 3 and Model Y cars rose 14.3% from October.

Chinese rival BYD (002594.SZ), with its Dynasty and Ocean series of EVs and petrol-electric hybrid models, saw passenger vehicle deliveries set another record at 301,378 vehicles, up 0.09% from October and up 31% from a year earlier.

Reporting by Qiaoyi Li, Zhang Yan and Brenda Goh; Editing by Christopher Cushing and Bernadette Baum

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...e-ev-sales-skid-178-year-november-2023-12-04/
 
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