Tesla 2023

SunTrader · Dec 16, 2023

And then there is this - from just 3 months ago!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elon Musk intervenes during Tesla self-drive demonstration

https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/12...call-2-million-vehicles-mainstream-media-fud/

VicBee · Dec 16, 2023

VicBee said:
Yes, Citroen was ahead of its time with the DS's hydropneumatic suspension, also found on the Maserati engined XM and the more accessible GS series. I think it is also the first to have directional headlights. The DS pictured is considered one of the finest design of its era. It was also available in limited numbers as a cabriolet, made by coachbuilder Chapron with Citroen approval. These are now classics valued at over $150k when they can be found.

https://www.citroen-ds-manufaktur.com/angebot.php?anr=19&lang=en

Since we're among friends, I'll let you in on a secret project of mine, should TSLA hit 500.

I will buy a DS Chapron and turn it into an EV.

mervyn · Dec 16, 2023

it is not commercial but i'd like to have this, autoparking in the golden eye i guess, but their cars are the first.

SunTrader · Dec 17, 2023

Count me out on anything "auto" or French.

Not anti-French except when it comes to something with 4 wheels, or 3 for that matter.

semperfrosty · Dec 17, 2023

VicBee said:
Since we're among friends, I'll let you in on a secret project of mine, should TSLA hit 500.

I will buy a DS Chapron and turn it into an EV.

Plugged in next to a Model 3 would be Boss Level! hahaha

20.3.-Citroen-DS-Chapron-Cabriolet-1967-CREAM-1.jpg

Cuddles · Dec 18, 2023

VicBee said:
It's misleading. The "recall" is a software update to add a safety function that wasn't available on all vehicles.

No, a recall is a very defined process. Just because it's a patch for shitty SW, it doesn't make it not a recall. We've gone over this already. What, you think VW's dieselgate wasn't a recall because of their scammy software?

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF

SunTrader · Dec 18, 2023

Cuddles said:
No, a recall is a very defined process. Just because it's a patch for shitty SW, it doesn't make it not a recall. We've gone over this already. What, you think VW's dieselgate wasn't a recall because of their scammy software?

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF

Right, if something, anything isn't work correctly it is "recalled and fixed".

VicBee · Dec 18, 2023

That's not the point. The anti Musk/Tesla media spinned is as the sky falling because Tesla has to recall 2 million vehicles, when the fact is, it's a software update that doesn't require vehicles to go to shops for a fix.

And no, it's not like VW diesel gate which was a deliberate fraud for which they paid dearly. If you can't make the difference then it's on you.

Cuddles · Dec 18, 2023

VicBee said:
That's not the point. The anti Musk/Tesla media spinned is as the sky falling because Tesla has to recall 2 million vehicles, when the fact is, it's a software update that doesn't require vehicles to go to shops for a fix.

And no, it's not like VW diesel gate which was a deliberate fraud for which they paid dearly. If you can't make the difference then it's on you.

That is exactly the point.

VicBee said:
It's misleading. The "recall" is a software update to add a safety function that wasn't available on all vehicles.

Just because Musk fanboys can't help themselves from making excuses for every dogshit decision Elon makes, it doesn't mean people didn't get killed/hurt due to sloppy engineering. Sloppy engineering that was rolled out on millions of vehicles and got called out by agencies made to protect the public.

Pray tell, how is advertising and overselling "full self-driving" and "autopilot" after multiple promises not fraud?

vanzandt · Dec 18, 2023

I read somewhere that like 65% of Americans don't have garages.

I started thinking about that and how it will apply to EV mandates. I wonder what percentage of that number is people that live in multi-family communities? Like apartment complexes, that type of thing.

Those parking lots are a zoo. People coming and going all day long. Most have no assigned spaces... Who's gonna pay to put in all these chargers at places like that?

Certainly not the reits that own many of the ultra-large complexes. And certainly not the small operators. That's going to cost a lot of money. You'll have tear up the parking lots in many cases and then repave them. This stuff is not going to be cheap.

Just thinking out loud. It is a fair question though.