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Tsing Tao

Tsing Tao

Just got this email from a collegue who is in Anaheim. She is jealous of my deal here in Florida.

Wow. I know we all knew some of this but when you see it all together it is quite frightening. How do we keep electing the morons that have been and continue to ruin this state. God bless the democrats!!!

California Public Policy Center

Announcing the Prosperity Forum
Unaffordable California – It Doesn’t Have To Be This Way
by Richard Rider on October 23, 2013

Here’s a documented comparison of California taxes and economic climate with the rest of the states. The news is bad,
and getting worse. But the state and local government policies
that created an unaffordable California can be reversed:

PERSONAL INCOME TAX: Prior to Prop 30 passing in Nov. 2012, CA already had the 3rd worst state income tax rate in the nation. Our 9.3% tax bracket started at $48,942 for people filing as individuals. 10.3% started at $1 million. Now our retroactive (to 1/1/2012) “millionaires’ tax” rate is 13.3% – including capital gains (CA total CG rate now the 2nd highest in the world!). 10+% taxes now start at $250K. CA now has by far the nation’s highest state income tax rate. We are 21% higher than 2nd place Hawaii, 34% higher than Oregon, 47.8% higher than the next 2 states, and a heck of a lot higher than all the rest – including 7 states with zero state income tax. CA is so bad, we also have the 2nd highest state income tax bracket. AND the 3rd. Plus the 5th and 7th.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/ff2013.pdf, Table #12
http://www.twitpic.com/9g2pka/full
http://tinyurl.com/CA-2nd-CG

SALES TAX: CA has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation. 7.5% (does not include local sales taxes).
http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-and-local-sales-tax-rates-january-1-2012
GAS TAX: CA has the nation’s highest gas tax at 71.9 cents/gallon (July, 2013). National average is 49.5 cents.
http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/
(CA also has the nation’s 3rd highest diesel tax – 77.0 cents/gallon. National average 54.8 cents)

PROPERTY TAX: California in 2009 ranked 15th highest in per capita property taxes (including commercial) – the only major tax where we are not in the worst ten states. But CA property taxes per owner-occupied home were the 10th highest in the nation in 2009.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/251.html
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/1913.html (2009 latest year available)

“IMPACT FEES” ON HOME SALES: Average 2012 CA impact fee for single-family residence was $31,100, 90% higher than next worst state. 265% higher than jurisdictions that levy such fees (many governments east of the Sierras do not). For apartments, fee averaged $18,800, 290% above average outside state. The fee is part of the purchase price, so buyer pays an annual property tax on the fee!
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003882-california-homes-require-real-reach

“CAP AND TRADE” TAX: CA has now instituted the highest “cap and trade” tax in the nation – indeed, the ONLY such U.S. tax. One study estimates the annual cost at $3,857 per household by 2020. Even proponents concede that it will have zero impact on global warming.
http://tinyurl.com/WSJ-CA-cap-and-trade

SMALL BUSINESS TAX: California has a nasty anti-small business $800 minimum corporate income tax, even if no profit is earned, and even for many nonprofits. Next highest state is Oregon at $150. A few others under $100, with most at zero.
http://tinyurl.com/CA-800-tax
California small businesses failed in 2011 at a rate 69% higher than the national average — the worst state in the nation.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/19/smallbusiness/small_business_state_failure_rates/index.htm (based on Dunn & Bradstreet study)

CORPORATE INCOME TAX: CA corporate income tax rate (8.84%) is the highest west of the Mississippi (our economic competitors) except for Alaska.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/2013-state-business-tax-climate-index
Table #1 – we are 5th highest in nation in per capita collections.

BUSINESS TAX CLIMATE: California’s 2013 “business tax climate” ranks 3rd worst in the nation – behind New Jersey and anchor-clanker New York state.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/2014-state-business-tax-climate-index

LEGAL ENVIRONMENT: The American Tort Reform Association now ranks CA the “worst judicial hellhole” in U.S. – extremely anti-business. But the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ranks CA higher – “only” the 4th worst state (unfortunately, sliding from 7th worst in 2008).
http://tinyurl.com/CA-worst-judicial-hellhole
http://www.instituteforlegalreform.com/states/california

FINES AND FEES: CA tickets are incredibly high. Red-light camera ticket $490. Next highest state is $250. Most are around $100.
http://reason.org/blog/show/red-light-cameras-and-the-enigmatic
CA needlessly licenses more occupations than any state – 177. Second worst state is Connecticut at 155. The average for the states is 92.
http://cssrc.us/publications.aspx?id=7707
CA has the 3rd highest state workers compensation rates, up from 5th in 2010. CA has a 3.4% rate increase scheduled for 2013.
http://www.cbs.state.or.us/external/dir/wc_cost/files/report_summary.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/2013-CA-rate-increase

OVERALL TAXES: Tax Foundation study ranks CA as the 4th worst taxed state. But if counting ONLY in-state and local taxes, we are arguably the 2nd highest.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/an...-2010-new-york-citizens-pay-most-alaska-least

UNEMPLOYMENT: CA has the 5th worst state unemployment rate (August, 2013) – 8.9%. National unemployment rate 7.3%. National unemployment rate not including CA is 7.1%, making the CA unemployment rate 25.7% higher than the average of the other 49 states (one of the better performances we’ve managed in several years). http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Using the 2nd quarter 2013 U-6 measure of unemployment (includes involuntary part-time workers), CA is the 2nd worst at 18.3% vs. national 14.3%. National U-6 not including CA is 13.8%, making CA’s U-6 33.0% higher than the avg. of the other 49 states.
http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

EDUCATION: CA public school teachers the 4th highest paid in the nation. CA students rank 48th in math achievement, 49th in reading.
http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2011/calfacts/calfacts_010511.aspx, page 36
http://www.cde.ca.gov/fg/fr/sa/cefavgsalaries.asp
California, a destitute state, still gives away community college education at fire sale prices. Our CC tuition is the lowest in the nation. How low? Nationwide, the average community college tuition is more than double our California CC’s.
http://trends.collegeboard.org/coll...d-sector-2012-13-and-5-year-percentage-change
This ridiculously low tuition devalues education to students – often resulting in a 25+% drop rate for class completion. In addition, up to 2/3 of California CC students pay no net tuition at all!
http://tinyurl.com/ygqz9ls
Complaints about increased UC student fees too often ignore one crucial point — all poor and many middle class students don’t pay the “fees” (our state’s euphemism for tuition). There are no fees for most California families with under $80K income.
http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/blueandgold/
http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/22415

WELFARE AND POVERTY: 1 in 5 in Los Angeles County receiving public aid.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-welfare22-2009feb22,0,4377048.story
California’s real poverty rate (the new census bureau standard) is by far the worst in the nation at 23.5%. We are 55.7% higher than the average for the other 49 states. The CA poverty rate is 19% higher than 2nd place Florida.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/california-poverty_n_2132920.html
California has 12% of the nation’s population, but 33% of the country’s TANF (“Temporary” Assistance for Needy Families) welfare recipients – more than the next 7 states combined. Unlike other states, this “temporary” assistance becomes much more permanent in CA.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/28/welfare-capital-of-the-us/?print&page=all
California ranks 48th worst for credit card debt and 49th worst for percentage of home ownership.
http://riderrants.blogspot.com/2013/02/more-dismal-california-economic-rankings.html
 
GOVERNMENT INSOLVENCY: California now has the 2nd lowest bond rating of any state – Basket case Illinois recently beat us out for the lowest spot. We didn’t improve our rating – Illinois just got worse.
http://www.calwhine.com/great-news-california-no-longer-has-worst-credit-rating/1554/
California prison guards highest paid in the nation.
http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2008/101708_fraud1.htm

HOUSING COSTS: Of 100 U.S. real estate markets, CA contains by far the least affordable middle class housing market (San Francisco). PLUS the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th. San Diego is #5 (w/homes avg. 1,056 sq. ft.)
http://riderrants.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-us-least-affordable-housing-market

TRANSPORTATION COSTS: CA has 2nd highest annual cost for owning a car – $3,966. $765 higher than the national average.
http://tinyurl.com/lmxnucs

WATER & ELECTRICITY COSTS: California residential electricity costs an average of 39.6% more per kWh than the national average. CA commercial rates are 58.3% higher. For industrial use, CA electricity is 71.8% higher than the national average (June, 2013). NOTE: SDG&E is even higher than the CA average! http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_06_a
A 2011 survey of home water bills for the 20 largest U.S. cities found that for 200 gallons a day usage, San Diego was the highest cost. At 400 gal/day, San Diego was third highest.
http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/allstats590.jpg

BUSINESS FLIGHT: In 2012, our supply of California businesses shrunk 5.2%. In ONE year. NOTE: That’s a NET figure – 5.2% fewer businesses in CA in 2012 than were here in 2011. Indeed, in 2012, CA lost businesses at a 67.7% higher rate than the 2nd worst state!
http://riderrants.blogspot.com/2013/07/in-2012-ca-lost-businesses-at-677.html
736 top U.S. CEO’s surveyed rank California “the worst state in which to do business” for the 9th straight year (May, 2013).
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business-2013
From 2007 through 2010, 10,763 industrial facilities were built or expanded across the country — but only 176 of those were in CA. So with roughly 12% of the nation’s population, CA got 1.6% of the built or expanded industrial facilities.
http://podcasts.odiogo.com/city-journal/podcasts-xml.php (California Manufacturers and Technology Association podcast)

OUT-MIGRATION: California is now ranked as the 2nd worst state to retire in. Only basket-case Illinois is worse. We “beat” NY, RI and NJ.
http://www.topretirements.com/blog/great-towns/our-worst-states-to-retire-list.html/
Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year – in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002585-new-census-data-reaffirms-dominance-south
http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration

They are primarily the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy – and retirees seeking to make their nest-eggs provide more bang for the buck.
 
we have been democratered. the way they democratered NYC and other successful places.

CA once boomed because it was a libertarian kind of place with great weather.

Then the give aways.
Then the people showing up for the give aways caused the need for more public sector.
Then the dems gave away more money to them to get reelected.

May all those in the state capitol who ruined this once great state get their just eternal reward.

You all have no idea what its like to witness the decline that I have witnessed since 1988. When I came here to San Diego it was a wonderland.... and it was run pretty well.

Now the weather is great but the govt is in your pocket constantly taking as much of the money you make as possible. As that article pointed out our water and electricity bills can be like a small mortgage.
 
Quote from jem:

we have been democratered. the way they democratered NYC and other successful places.

CA once boomed because it was a libertarian kind of place with great weather.

Then the give aways.
Then the people showing up for the give aways caused the need for more public sector.
Then the dems gave away more money to them to get reelected.

May all those in the state capitol who ruined this once great state get their just eternal reward.

You all have no idea what its like to witness the decline that I have witnessed since 1988. When I came here to San Diego it was a wonderland.... and it was run pretty well.
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CA's population would have boomed regardless. The natural beauty is spectacular, the climate great, the lands and waters highly productive. It may be that high taxes are keeping the population growth lower than it would be otherwise.
 
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CA's population would have boomed regardless. The natural beauty is spectacular, the climate great, the lands and waters highly productive. It may be that high taxes are keeping the population growth lower than it would be otherwise.
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You obviously missed the stat on net migration. There is no growth.

I'll repeat it just for you.

OUT-MIGRATION: California is now ranked as the 2nd worst state to retire in. Only basket-case Illinois is worse. We “beat” NY, RI and NJ.
http://www.topretirements.com/blog/...tire-list.html/
Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year – in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content...dominance-south
http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

You obviously missed the stat on net migration. There is no growth.

I'll repeat it just for you.

OUT-MIGRATION: California is now ranked as the 2nd worst state to retire in. Only basket-case Illinois is worse. We “beat” NY, RI and NJ.
http://www.topretirements.com/blog/...tire-list.html/
Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year – in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content...dominance-south
http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration
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Ricter once again proving that facts are never to get in the way of his liberal delusions.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

You obviously missed the stat on net migration. There is no growth.

I'll repeat it just for you.

OUT-MIGRATION: California is now ranked as the 2nd worst state to retire in. Only basket-case Illinois is worse. We “beat” NY, RI and NJ.
http://www.topretirements.com/blog/...tire-list.html/
Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year – in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content...dominance-south
http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration
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We're not in disagreement on this. That 100k figure is just net domestic migration, by the way. Foreign migration is more than making up the difference--but maybe they don't know about CA's high taxes. Which high taxes I said could be slowing population growth.
 
Everything you say about California is true... and then some... like we have 12% of the country's population and 32% of the nation's welfare recipients.

Another huge "tax" we pay on top of everything else is the cost of sending our children to private schools because our public schools are mediocre at best.

If we didn't live two blocks from the beach in a nearly perfect climate we would have left a long time ago.

My wife calls all California taxes collectively the "weather tax." If it weren't for the weather, there would be no reason to live in California.
 
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