Taxifornia

[jem]

bit it could have boomed with tech workers and ip workers and the top of the food chain employees and companies and hard working mexicans who could afford to live in the nice weather.

People who could not afford to live here would not have moved here.
It would have been a big greenwich, stamford Darien and westport ct with great weather.

Instead

Now about a third of CA pays incredibly high income taxes and the rest either don't pay income taxes or get handouts. CA is chasing out the producers and the hard workers (including mexicans) and encouraging the freeloaders.

It took real scum politicians with a leftist plan to turn this place from shangri la to detroit in 2 generations.

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CA's population would have boomed regardless. The natural beauty is spectacular, the climate great, the lands and waters highly productive. It may be that high taxes are keeping the population growth lower than it would be otherwise.

 

[Tsing Tao]

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We're not in disagreement on this. That 100k figure is just net domestic migration, by the way. Foreign migration is more than making up the difference--but maybe they don't know about CA's high taxes. Which high taxes I said could be slowing population growth.

Or, more probably, it's just a bunch of mexicans coming over the border.

 

[Ricter]

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Or, more probably, it's just a bunch of mexicans coming over the border.

Foreign immigrants to California by country:
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_ImmigrantsJTF.pdf

 

[Tsing Tao]

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Foreign immigrants to California by country:
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_ImmigrantsJTF.pdf

Ah, thanks. Do they have a PDF available showing all the illegal immigration too?

 

[Ricter]

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Ah, thanks. Do they have a PDF available showing all the illegal immigration too?

I have previously posted a link here to a report showing illegal immigration fell sharply during the recession. We also know that deportations set a record in the past few years. Is there any reason to believe illegal immigration has significantly risen lately? Why would it?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Ricter:

I have previously posted a link here to a report showing illegal immigration fell sharply during the recession. We also know that deportations set a record in the past few years. Is there any reason to believe illegal immigration has significantly risen lately? Why would it?

How can anyone be sure what illegal immigration has done, since it is illegal and not tracked?

Deportation is another story, and let's not get into the BS that deportations have set records - that data has been refuted many a time on this forum in how it is tracked.

 

[Ricter]

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How can anyone be sure what illegal immigration has done, since it is illegal and not tracked?

Deportation is another story, and let's not get into the BS that deportations have set records - that data has been refuted many a time on this forum in how it is tracked.

Estimates are made by Customs and Border Protection based on the observed rate of apprehensions. And remember, USCBP added a lot of new guards since 9/11.

Edit: data available via "united states border patrol nationwide illegal alien apprehensions fiscal years 1925 - 2012". The trend is down, sharply.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Rep. Lamar Smith, the Texan who runs the committee, said the Obama administration has for the past several years been mixing some Border Patrol apprehensions with the deportation statistics from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency chiefly responsible for interior enforcement and for deporting aliens.

His investigation found that when the Border Patrol numbers are subtracted, deportations actually have gone down every year since Mr. Obama first took office in 2009, dropping from about 395,000 that year to about 330,000 in 2011.

And 2012 is shaping up to have even fewer deportations once the Border Patrol figures are subtracted, the committee said.

“It is dishonest to count illegal immigrants apprehended by the Border Patrol along the border as ICE removals,” Mr. Smith said. “These ‘removals’ from the Border Patrol program do not subject the illegal immigrant to any penalties or bars for returning to the U.S. This means a single illegal immigrant can show up at the border and be removed numerous times in a single year — and counted each time as a removal.”

ICE did not directly dispute Mr. Smith’s claim but defended its enforcement strategy.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Ricter:

Estimates are made by Customs and Border Protection based on the observed rate of apprehensions. And remember, USCBP added a lot of new guards since 9/11.

Edit: data available via "united states border patrol nationwide illegal alien apprehensions fiscal years 1925 - 2012". The trend is down, sharply.

No issue with apprehensions being down sharply. Given the political climate and all of the pressure being put on border patrol, I'd expect that.