TATA MOTORS - Sparks a Revolution

Quote from Sikhinvestor:

I think today, signifies the end of the American Automobile industry, when Ford finally does sell to Tata - they'll pretty much be throwing in the towel.


Good luck with that...have you even seen their $2500 car? Noone in america will be caught dead driving that. Besides the japanese are already kicking american automakers asses, if tata needs to compete it's with the japanese not american automakers.

If ford does sell jagaur, it will be a very smart move. That brand lost all credibility when they painted a ford tarus(i think, dont remember which ford model exactly) and put a jagaur logo on it. Jagaur is a dead brand in the US.
 
'Jagaur is a dead brand in the US.'

it is a slick car, very classy but do not see lots of them in NA....wonder why?

Jags are better than Lexus or Audi's in looks atleast.
 
Quote from newguy05:

Good luck with that...have you even seen their $2500 car? Noone in america will be caught dead driving that.

This attitude is exactly what the coming recession will change. Instead of driving Hummers and spending like there is no tomorrow, it will become fashionable to drive a Tata and save money.

And this attitude change is absolutely necessary and long overdue.
 
Quote from moo:

This attitude is exactly what the coming recession will change. Instead of driving Hummers and spending like there is no tomorrow, it will become fashionable to drive a Tata and save money.

And this attitude change is absolutely necessary and long overdue.

If nothing else Tata will put pressure on US and Foreign automakers to streamline and become more efficient. Tata, Hummer are extremes IMO. See the ad for Kia Spectra, its the Toyota Corolla of 15 years ago, reasonable price and great warranty with good QC.
 
My ass. India is an artificial political entity that has numerous problems. geographically it is farked. within 50 years, it will split up along ethnic lines and cease to exist.

Quote from Sikhinvestor:

India is a success story, I think today passes the baton from the US to India.

India's Henry Ford [Rattan Tata] has sparkled a revolution, a car that the masses can afford. I think today, signifies the end of the American Automobile industry, when Ford finally does sell to Tata - they'll pretty much be throwing in the towel.

The surprising thing to remember was Tata was at one time owned by Ford, a good chunk of it. Now Tata is buying Ford's key marquee name plates, I think the Jaguar brand will do apparently well in India, as their is a demand for luxury cars.
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Tata`s Rs 1 lakh Nano is the sum of its parts

BS Reporters / New Delhi January 12, 2008



Some 100 component makers worked with Tata Motors for over 3 years.

Ratan Tata was able to keep his promise and deliver a car for Rs 1,00,000, the Nano, with help from some 100 component manufacturers, most of them homespun Indian outfits. Some of them worked with the core Tata Motors team in total secrecy for over three years.

A day after Tata drove the car to the ramp at the 9th Auto Expo here and the world gaped in awe, several component manufacturers decided to lift the veil of secrecy and told Business Standard how the car was put together through collaborative engineering. The price target, they said, was achieved by sheer design improvisation and not cutting corners on essentials.

The brief to them was simple: make things smaller and lighter, do away with superficial parts and change the material wherever possible.

A few did their own research and development, some developed products with Tata Motors and quite a few were given designs by Tata Motors. The company even helped some vendors find international partners to make products that met the company's requirements.

To begin with, it was decided to make the 623 cc two-cylinder petrol engine from aluminum. Conventional engines are made from cast iron, adding weight as well as cost to the car. “Being smaller and lighter, the cost was lower,” said Rico CEO Arvind Kapur who supplied the blocks to house the engine.

The engine being lighter and placed at the rear of the car put less pressure on the steering systems, which allowed for more cost savings. As a result, there was no requirement for a link between the engine and the rear wheels.

Surinder Kapur, chairman of the Sona group, which supplied the steering columns, steering gear and differential drive assembly, said: "The tubular design of the car instead of the conventional 'rod' design definitely helped cut costs, particularly the processes involved.”

Lumax, which has supplied lighting systems for the Nano, worked closely with engineers from Tata Motors’ Engineering and Research Centre to ensure that cost targets were met. "We also did some competitive buying of material from countries like China and Thailand," Lumax Executive Director Deepak Jain said.

Costs were also cut by using regular bulbs that meet the regulations instead of long life bulbs.

Still others said Tata Motors was able to bring down prices through old-fashioned bargaining. Price negotiations from Tata Motors' side apparently started from 50 per cent of what component suppliers offered. But the Nano is expected to sell in large volumes and that would make up for the crunch in margins, they were promised.

"When you are talking about 350,000 to half a million units, you start pricing the parts on variable cost. Typically at 250,000 units if the part reaches break-even point then the scope for reducing price changes dramatically,” said Anil Srivastava, CEO, GEA, a strategic consulting firm for automobile and parts companies.

Even so, some suppliers could not meet Tata Motors' price demands. For instance, AIS, the country’s top automotive glass maker, decided to stay out of the basic car shown by Tata yesterday (the order was placed with Saint Gobain). “We are hopeful of getting into the deluxe model,” said AIS CEO Sanjay Labroo.

Initially, Tata had plans to assemble the car at the dealers’ workshop to cut down his spend on logistics. The plan, reliable sources said, still stands.
 
'If nothing else Tata will put pressure on US and Foreign automakers to streamline and become more efficient.'

Being fair to all, I would be very sckeptical of the Indian Auto products regarding quality and high wear tear performance. Even American cars are not upto standards set by the Japanese.
 
Quote from toc:

'If nothing else Tata will put pressure on US and Foreign automakers to streamline and become more efficient.'

Being fair to all, I would be very sckeptical of the Indian Auto products regarding quality and high wear tear performance. Even American cars are not upto standards set by the Japanese.

With all due respect, have you read any of the reports or surveys lately? GM was ranked #2 behind Toyota. Nissan was 4 I believe. The US mfg is now closest to Japanese mfg quality than ever before. I saw this from the point of view from one that ones 2 Toyotas. With the exception of the Lexus, the Toyotas I own and others sold in America are mfg. in America.

Even Toyota has had some real build problems. The head of Toyota admitted they were slipping and promised to correct the problems, they grew too fast in the last few years.

I firmly believe Hyundai and Kia, same company, will put real pressure on Toyota as Toyota is a good car, but the build quality has slipped over the last 10 years while they continue to charge a premium for their mostly past reputation. H and K offer a 100k warranty for less money than T with good lines.

But I agree in principal on Tata you get what you pay for.
 
'But I agree in principal on Tata you get what you pay for'

my views were based on reading the inputs of owners of other TATA cars and SUVs. They like the design and goodies that came along but operating performance had flaws showing up early like after 16K miles.

India has the technology but if it is world class is a big question.
On the other hand, Indian trucks and cars have been sold to Africa and Asia since 70s and no big talk on bad performance etc. Guess driving conditions in India are more rugged than in other Asian/African countries.

There is an SUV from Mahindra called Scorpio which is being sold in EU for a while and now they have started Africa sales also.
 
'You want to be cheap? Then get this car. It's only $299!'

that car is not cheap for $299 for what it offers. be mature dude! you are retired after all.
:D
 
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