Sweet tooth or fat tooth?

Does food preference affect dietary beliefs?

  • I have a fat tooth and believe in low carb

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • I have a fat tooth and believe in low fat

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • I have a sweet tooth and believe in low carb

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • I have a sweet tooth and believe in low fat

    Votes: 7 28.0%

  • Total voters
    25
Wasting your time trader56.

Longdip will never address your calculations directly.
He will just dodge the issue and post more irrelevant information
which FAILS to address anything you say.

We all know its EASY to eat meat at every meal and keep
FAT and CHOLESTEROL numbers EXTREMELY low.

We have all proven this objectively with simple math.
Everyone knows this. There is no need to continue trying
to bash into the tiny brain of a severely retarded child like longshot :D

I put him on ignore months ago, and there he will stay.
He holds the high honor of being the only person on ET
on my ignore list, for simply being so incredibly dense :D

Now you have a much better understanding of longshotspenis
story on my tagline :p


peace

axeman



Quote from trader56:

This is my last attempt at making any sense out of this forum thread, and dealing with Longshot.

Meat - that would include chicken - is quoted on:
a) a raw, wet-weight basis - so levels of fat AND cholesterol will not be as high once it's cooked, and depending how it's cooked can vary fairly widely
b) a WEIGHT basis, not in cups

One pound of skinless chicken breat meat will yeild upon roasting:
496 calories
104 gms protein
4.0 gms total fat
96 mg cholesterol

Now, if someone wants to eat a so-called high-protein diet, they could eat 3 POUNDS of skinless, roasted chicken breast DAILY, and still be under the 300 mgs daily cholesterol limit used by the AHA. Three pounds of this chicken would yield 312 gms of protein.

Now, of course, the 30 lbs of chicken used in the earlier example will yeild 2880 mg of cholesterol. That's 30 lbs times 96 mg equals 2880, for the "mathematically-challenged" like Longshot.

Is 2880 mg of cholesterol over the AHA 300mg DAILY allowance?
Well, yes, but who's going to eat 30 lbs of chicken in ONE DAY?

I don't think even Longshot would go for that - well, but then again...
 
Look at it in simple terms...here is a picture of Longshot and GG....now, at this point in their life, should cholesterol even be a concern??? the idea is to lose weight....when your this large and have failed at every diet, what do you have to lose? Come on Long shot...you tried jane fonda, richard simmons, jenny craig....give atkins a try:D
 
Quote from axeman:

I put him on ignore months ago, and there he will stay.
He holds the high honor of being the only person on ET
on my ignore list, for simply being so incredibly dense :D

Ay, there's the rub. You don't ignore him . . . :(
 
Actually.... a lot more than usual.
But when other people get into arguments with longdip,
they quote him and I can see the stupid ass shit he saying and
it sucks me back in a bit :D

peace

axeman


Quote from dbphoenix:

Ay, there's the rub. You don't ignore him . . . :(
 
Darn! oneway has posted something worth responding to! :)
I like what you've quoted, but have a few quibbles with the great doctor:

Quote from onewaypockets:

reducing your intake of methionine by eating less meat and chicken...

[less, not none, and you have to look at individual meats and what else you're eating]

Whole grain cereals are rich sources of many nutrients that help protect a person from getting a heart attack: linoleic acid, fiber, vitamin E...

[the vitamin E studies are a mess, he has no business just throwing that into the list]

Many different chemical reactions then break down sugar one step at a time to release energy. Each reaction must be started by an individual chemical called an enzyme and the B vitamins are parts of these enzymes that start the reactions that break sugar into energy. If any of the B vitamins are not available, the conversion of carbohydrates to energy is blocked. Instead, the carbohydrates are converted to fat...

[you cannot control the degree to which carbs are converted to fat by controlling just the B vitamins...sounds like someone misapplying the little bit of biochemistry he knows]

That's why you want to eat carbohydrates that release their sugars slowly and restrict carbohydrates that release sugars rapidly...The most healthful carbohydrates are those left with fiber...

[and PROTEIN]

Root vegetables contain stored sugar and cause a high rise in blood sugar levels, but they contain so many healthful nutrients that you need them to be healthy. So potatoes, carrots and beets can be eaten safely with other foods to slow absorption. For example, eating a potato with a piece of fish slows absorption of the sugars...

[wrong, you don't need to be eating potatoes! with respect to the effects of the fish, that's exactly what a low-carber would do: add PROTEIN to balance the carbs, but it need not be fish]

The most healthful way to eat is to leave nature alone.

[now that's just silly; eggs, for example, are being improved nutritionally all the time based on human manipulation; I'm all for fixing the stuff that tastes good whenever possible]

The doctor seems to be generally agreeing with what us lower-carb, higher-protein followers have been saying. But he's also left out some huge factors that affect the adoption of any diet, such as,

- taste
- hunger
- energy
- indigestion
- convenience

For example, if you're ready for a snack in the middle of the afternoon while trading, your highest concern is not whether what you eat will extend your life another 5 seconds. In fact, if you screw up your next trade, it may well take a larger toll in stress and other bad effects.

A really simplistic way to think of the balance between fat, carbs, and protein can be summarized with an equation something like this:

FAT for sustained energy
+ PROTEIN to suppress hunger
- CARBS that spike your blood sugar

The next question would be HOW MUCH more protein and fewer carbs are healthful. This can be answered with a rule that sets a target ratio of net carbs (carbs - fiber) to protein of 1.0 to 1.4.

The issues after that get more complicated (as shown by this thread), such as which fats, which meats, which vegetables, etc., are best to use in such a diet. However, as I've stated before, the premium that the rule puts on fiber and protein leads you in the right direction most of the time (such as to whole grain pancakes :) ). And even when it doesn't result in eliminating a bad thing like potatoes from your diet, it does exactly what the doctor recommends above: it forces you to eat your potatoes (or crackers or chips) with some protein, thereby lowering the impact of the sugars (more importantly, the protein suppresses your hunger and leads you to eat fewer potatoes/calories).

(Okay, if interesting stuff keeps getting posted that's worth responding to, just remember that I still only intend on visiting ET and this thread once a day, so don't expect any emotional cock fighting from me. :) )
 
Big surprise. The old guard is sticking to their low fat is bad,
high carb is good mantra.

And now were the fattest nation in the world, by even a larger margin :D




Now here is an interesting article from someone who obviously
has figured out how to get lean as hell:
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"So what’s the deal? Is the low carb/high protein diet the best way for bodybuilders to get ripped or just another fad? From a bodybuilding standpoint, the answer is an unequivocal yes; reducing carbohydrates really works!"

http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article81.shtml


Here is a real eye opener from Mr. SUPER RIPPED.
Talks about his diet as he approached a competition.
http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article57.shtml

When approaching a competition, where he needs to
get RIPPED AS HELL, he changes his diet as the comp date gets closer:

Phase one: ( off season diet + extra cardio )
55% carbs = 1760 calories = 440 grams carbs
30% protein = 960 calories = 240 grams of protein
15% fat = 480 = 53 grams of fat

Phase two:
40% carbs = 1200 calories = 300 grams carbs
40% protein = 1200 calories = 300 grams of protein
20% fat = 600 calories = 66 grams of fat

Phase 3:
25% carbs = 675 calories = 169 grams carbs
50-55% protein = 1350 - 1485 calories = 337 -371 grams of protein
20- 25% fat = 540 - 675 calories = 60 - 75 grams of fat


Notice that protein and fat go UP, and carbs go DOWN.
Look at the last phase numbers.
This is where you should be if you really wanna drop
fat like crazy. Of course... gotta excercise, lift, and do lots
of cardio too. You will get lean as hell.



peace

axeman




Quote from Sardo_Numspa:

Interesting article along these lines:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109890,00.html
 
So who you gonna believe?

The diet gurus, or this guy who has used his body as
a diet labratory and studied competitive body building diets
over the last 14 years to figure out what really works
to win body building competitions?

At 3.7% body fat, I think he has the diet gurus all beat.

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I think Dr. Ornish, Dr. Atkins, Dr. Sears, and the rest of the
guys should all list their % body fat and compare :D


peace

axeman
 
Quote from Sardo_Numspa:

Interesting article along these lines:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109890,00.html

Great article. This reminds me of my doctor's first evaluation of my blood chemistry results a few years ago: he completely missed the somewhat low LDL, high tryglyceride, and high glucose levels (together an indication of diabetes risk), and instead noted that my LDL was borderline high, but not high enough to meet the HMO's cutoff for use of cholestrol-lowering statin drugs! LOL. Just another brainwashed low-fatter. (As with so many things about HMOs, you often have to figure it out for yourself and then insist that they do the proper tests, and update their own education.)

Another dumb thing such doctors do/did, was to try to get their overweight patients to do things like "just eat an apple instead of a candy bar" for a snack. From the previous posts, you can see that this is completely nuts. The apple isn't going to satisfy either your hunger or your energy needs...which means you're going to want to eat more....but all you can eat are low-fat, carb-rich items...which aren't going to satisfy your hunger or energy needs...which means you're going to want to eat more... (What you want in fact is a "candy bar" that is balanced with respect to fat, protein, and carbs (i.e., a balanced nutrition bar), or simply some cheese with your apple.)

It would be interesting to look at the blood chemistry of the high-carbers in the article, since another advantage of lower-carb, higher-protein diets is that, for the same weight loss, they leave you with relatively more muscle compared to fat (as axe's posts also indicate), which is tied to the drop you see in triglycerides and glucose levels. Then, when we've shown that, for the same weight loss, they are not really as healthy as the low-carbers, we could then ask them how the food tasted, how they felt after eating it, etc. That's the nail in the low-fat coffin. :)
 
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