Sweet tooth or fat tooth?

[franklin]

Quote from LongShot:

you seem overweight still. are you looking to drop another 20?

:-/

Not on rabbit food!

I'm more concerned now with prevention of specific diseases via specific nutrient changes in my diet (including types of fat, types of carbs, vitamins, etc.). I started a chart a while back with 10 major diseases versus about 15 nutrients. The information in such a chart changes with just about every health-related newsletter we get. Much more complicated than getting total carb, protein, and fat balanced.

Good luck with your low-fat diet/life style.

 

[trader56]

Thanks for the correction db. You are ,of course, correct.

Dietary cholesterol intake is not really the issue for most people - saturated fat intake is of greatest concern. People with reading of, say, 300 total cholesterol generally have these readings because of a derangement in liver enzymes that control cholesterol metabolism. For these patients even very low fat diets won't adequately control blood cholestrol levels, especially LDL, and VLDL levels. Fortunately, the statin class of drugs works well for these patients.

There is also the issue of the different kinds of fats as explained in my inital post.

It's interesting to note that in the U.S. we've seen about a 50% increase in the incidence of obesity AND Type II diabetes over the last 10 years or so. This correlates with the emphasis on the high carb intake - in particular, high cereal and grain product intake. This is because of the effects of high insulin response these types of foods induce.

 

[franklin]

Quote from trader56:

Height/weight measures are flawed, largely because they do not account for body composition. For example, you might have an athlete that's, say, 5' 8" tall but weights 190 lbs. Now, the insurance actuary charts are going to say this individual is quite overweight. However, if this individual's body composition is such that he's measuring at 6% bodyfat, and his VO2 max, and blood lipid profiles are good, then he's esxceptional relative to the population as a whole. Most 5' 8" individuals weighing 190 who are sedentary, would have bodyfat levels of something like 30%.

For years the BMI (Body Mass Index) was used as a measure of height/weight proportionality, and consequently, risk. Now, many insurance companies will allow an individual to go through an exam with a physician to show they are not well categorized by things such as the BMI. In the case of the 6% bodyfat individual described above, he would be able to get normal rates rather than an inflated, or "risk" rate, even though his height/weight measure is "off the charts."

Thanks for the info. Great to hear they are getting smarter about this. Can be really frustrating for "big-boned" people when they measure themselves against BMI.

 

[LongShot]

"According to the American Heart Association (AHA), more than 100 million adults in the United States have blood cholesterol levels considered borderline high (over 200), and close to 40 million adults have levels considered high (over 240). High cholesterol levels are strongly linked to an increased risk for heart disease, which is the leading killer of both men and women in the United States, accounting for about 500,000 deaths each year."

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from LongShot:

"According to the American Heart Association (AHA), more than 100 million adults in the United States have blood cholesterol levels considered borderline high (over 200), and close to 40 million adults have levels considered high (over 240). High cholesterol levels are strongly linked to an increased risk for heart disease, which is the leading killer of both men and women in the United States, accounting for about 500,000 deaths each year."

exactly...and they are to blame.....everyone loads up on carbs and " no fat" foods and this is the result....

 

[trader56]

Longshot, I'm curious.

I worked some years back with the Special Learning and Behavioral Problems (SLBP) program for troubled Junior High, and High School students.

Your erratic, emotional responses, and acting out are very closely related to what therapists see with this population. Now, some of this is because these people are still so young, and some of it is because, in many instances, there are abuse or other issues at home. But some of it is also psychosocial disorders of various kinds.

Are you actually a teenager on this board?
I find your level of conduct hard to explain from the standpoint of adult behavior. I not engaging in name-calling here, but rather beginning to wonder what's going on in the way you deal with people.

 

[trader56]

Longshot,

If you'll read my post - carefully this time - you'll see I refered to DIETARY cholesterol, NOT blood cholesterol levels. The quote you have is correct - BLOOD cholesterol levels are, inded, of concern.

The cholesterol levels in FOOD, in most people with normal liver function, are not translated into BLOOD cholesterol levels as the body adjusts for this by balancing exogenous cholesterol intake with endogenous cholesterol production.

 

[franklin]

Quote from dbphoenix:

Not necessarily stupid, but certainly pointless. Since LS doesn't trade, he's devoted himself to this thread. When he gets bored, or goes broke, or dies, then maybe we can move on with it.

(am trying to get a stupid backup DSL modem working with my stupid router, so got back to thread early today)

Okay, no new thread for now. I wouldn't want to do it without help from others whom I respect such as yourself.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed here. I learned several interesting things that will help improve my diet. Back to the peace and tranquility of lurking for awhile...

 

[LongShot]

Quote from franklin:

Not on rabbit food!

I'm more concerned now with prevention of specific diseases via specific nutrient changes in my diet (including types of fat, types of carbs, vitamins, etc.). I started a chart a while back with 10 major diseases versus about 15 nutrients. The information in such a chart changes with just about every health-related newsletter we get. Much more complicated than getting total carb, protein, and fat balanced.

Good luck with your low-fat diet/life style.

caloric manipulation is probably most effective in disease prevention BTW.

 

[LongShot]

Quote from trader56:

Longshot,

If you'll read my post - carefully this time - you'll see I refered to DIETARY cholesterol, NOT blood cholesterol levels. The quote you have is correct - BLOOD cholesterol levels are, inded, of concern.

The cholesterol levels in FOOD, in most people with normal liver function, are not translated into BLOOD cholesterol levels as the body adjusts for this by balancing exogenous cholesterol intake with endogenous cholesterol production.

From AHA Web-site:

Dietary Cholesterol
Dietary cholesterol is found in meat, poultry, seafood and dairy products. Foods from plants - such as fruits, vegetables, vegetable oils, grains, cereals, nuts and seeds - don't contain cholesterol. Egg yolks and organ meats are high in cholesterol. Shrimp and crayfish are somewhat high in cholesterol. Chicken, turkey and fish contain about the same amount of cholesterol as do lean beef, lamb and pork.

The American Heart Association recommends that your average daily intake of dietary cholesterol should be less than 300 milligrams. Remember, it's found only in foods from animals. Although it's not the same as a saturated fatty acid, dietary cholesterol can also raise your blood cholesterol level. You need cholesterol for your body to function normally, but your body makes enough so that you don't need to get more from the foods you eat.