Sweden

It just occurred to me that Sweden could be compared to Pennsylvania as population goes. The death rate is also comparable, but one of them closed down for 2 months and the other didn't....

The state in Pennsylvania shut down but the population had problems maintaining the guidelines given by the health officials. I compare those problems with the same problems in Illinois.

They're a lot better now.

Could it be the warming weather ???

wrbtrader
 
Yeah, " the article is total non sense because Sweden now has much more deaths than its neighbours" is not much of an argument.
There s not just an economic cost, but also societal psychological and health costs. How do people react when they are locked in by their government, them and their kids kept out of school, work and social life months at an end, for many without a clear hope a finding a new job or saving their business ?
Besides the likely upcoming deaths in locked down countries when reopening society, there s also the problem with reopening the countries, although this might be vicious for Sweden while it doesn t face the issue of reopening borders it has not locked in the first place. Read somewhere a very negative article about Sweden policy, claiming the its residemts might be kept locked out of other european countries when they open up for having so many cases, and I d add as a punishment for not having followed suit in locking down. This makes sense now that some european countries are discussing and signing bilateral deals to allow their residents to travel between those same countries, keeping much more restrictions on people originating elsewhere.
Also one would need to look into how tough the lockdowns were, read in Denmark it was far from extreme, many shops still having the option to open although against government s advice ( didn t read more details though).
I might have a differemt opinion if living in Denmark, but right now in Madrid where kids had to remain locked indoors 6 weeks and adults 7 weeks before they were even allowed to stroll outdoors at specific times of tge day and things are now moving very slowly, schools expected to reopen in Seotember only and at half capacity, I d much rather we let the virus rip through, don t even care for Swedish style social distancing
The threat of a second wave while the first had already nothing to envy to Sweden slows down reopening s lot btw, a painful issue when having to live through this mess
Question:

Sweden no lockdown, yet its case load and death are far smaller than Spain and Italy....?
 
Increase in fatalities during the past 21 days

Sweden - 1935
Norway+Finland - 261

"Swedish Policy Factor" = 7.41


Increase in fatalities during the past 30 days

Sweden - 2541
Norway+Finland - 320

"Swedish Policy Factor" = 7.94

I took a look at stock market performance since Jan and it didn't show any significant difference. Atleast the market does not think Sweden has saved its economy by sacrificing 8 times as many people.
 
....and businesses suffered and people lost their jobs, unlike in Sweden. Yet both states are at the same dead/million number.

I think all three have different social backgrounds, industry identifications (I think a wrong phrase) that overall puts them all high up on the map.

I've spent a lot of time in both states but never been to Sweden nor am I'm familiar with its industries / population.

Yet, what about this article involving Sweden exports industries and other industries @ https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden...own-its-economy-is-hurting-anyway-11588870062

My point, businesses in Sweden are suffering too but obviously not as much as those economies that shutdown. The main reason is because I'm under the expression that Sweden is an export country.

Thus, if the world around them is shut down...their products are not needed unless I misunderstood the reasons why their industries are suffering too.

wrbtrader
 
I took a look at stock market performance

Markets=/=Economy

Even if they also took an economical hit, people aren't crazy because they have been quarantined. in the US people would kill for a haircut or a steak at a restaurant. I would safely assume their unemployment is that big either.
 
Markets=/=Economy

Even if they also took an economical hit, people aren't crazy because they have been quarantined. in the US people would kill for a haircut or a steak at a restaurant. I would safely assume their unemployment is that big either.

That's an understatement...there's been increasing scenes of violence of all types about the most ridiculous things.

I have a friend that's a multi-millionaire (inherited) and she complains almost every day about not being able to have her private salon gal come to her home to do her hair.

She actually financially supported many people to go to their state capitol to protest and then one day she gets into a cat fight with someone else (holding a baby) that accidentally cut in line at a store. :D

This is a woman I grew up with and went to college with...someone yelling at her would make her coward in fear.

The Pandemic has made her a fighter. :wtf:

wrbtrader
 
Question:

Sweden no lockdown, yet its case load and death are far smaller than Spain and Italy....?

Spanish population is 5 times bigger then Sweden, so Spanish numbers should be divided by 5 to compare correctly with Sweden.

Italian population is 6 times bigger then Sweden, so Italian numbers should be divided by 6 to compare correctly with Sweden.

Don't compare apples with oranges. Swedish numbers should be massively lower to be at the same level with Spain and Italy.
 
What are you talking about ? Death per million in Sweden are lower than in both Spain and Italy

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

I reacted on this statement:
Question:

Sweden no lockdown, yet its case load and death are far smaller than Spain and Italy....?

I pointed to the inaccuracy of that statement. It should have been:
"Sweden no lockdown, yet its case deaths per 1 million inhabitants are far smaller than Spain and Italy....?"

He just stated that there are less deaths then in Italy or Spain, which is obvious as the population is much smaller.
Not mentioning per 1 million inhabitants, suggests that he just compares the population of the three countries. And that is wrong.

Sweden has 22 inhabitants per km²
Italy has 201 inhabitants per km²
Who do you think would have the best numbers for deaths by corona?

Even comparing deaths per 1 million inhabitants has it's limitations. If you compare Siberia or Antartica with any country they would be much lower too. Density of the population has a big impact on per 1 million inhabitants. Just ask in New York if they see a difference with the desert of Nevada.
 
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