Sweden

[luisHK]

I reacted on this statement:


I pointed tho the inaccuracy of that statement. It should have been:
"Sweden no lockdown, yet its case deaths per 1 million inhabitants are far smaller than Spain and Italy....?"

He just stated that there are less deaths then in Italy or Spain, which is obvious as the population is much smaller.
Not mentioning per 1 million inhabitants, suggests that he just compares the population of the three countries. And that is wrong.

Even comparing deaths per 1 million inhabitants has it's limitations. If you compare Siberia or Antartica with any country they would be much lower too. Density of the population has a big impact on per 1 million inhabitants. Just ask in New York if they see a difference with the desert of Nevada.

Yes, that sounds right, also Swedish lifestyle peculiarities are claimed to help the country keep a moderate death rate.

I took a look at stock market performance since Jan and it didn't show any significant difference. Atleast the market does not think Sweden has saved its economy by sacrificing 8 times as many people.

What a world we are living in, now considering citizens as human beings rather than pets is "sacrificing" them. Rather than TP, many should have stocked litter. According to surveys Swedes in majority agree with the light touch policy btw, and the elders (over 60 roughly) agree most.

As of the final number of victims in countries that locked down, we have little idea of what it will be, or if they will be able to reopen in any meaningful manner before years.
Germany, South Korea, Singapore China, Lebanon now Spain and probably more after tentively reopening partially have faced contagion numbers increasing and either had to revert back to a stricter lockdown or considering it, at the very least the reopening plans are in jeopardy.
Denmark seems to be the most confident country I read about about the reopening of the national society (not borders), interestingly it seems they only had a light lockdown, with death rates between those of Norway and Sweden

 

[Pekelo]

I bet in Italy doctors and health care workers died in much bigger % numbers than in Sweden. In the US too.

And let's face it, when we compare countries even a few thousands difference is not such a big deal. Once Finland or Norway opens up, their numbers will start to catch up. And old people die everyday.

I have a feeling there will be a second lockdown in 3 weeks from now. Those churches in Texas will do their work, but NY probably learnt the lesson and will wear masks.

 

[cesfx]

It's beyond belief that some people think it's ok to have x10 mortality, as you have to compare Sweden to Denmark, its neighbour with a similar lifestyle, for the sake of staying open, despite the massive international slowdowns that made its economy suffer anyway. It's a joke...
I see politicians on the reopening side, scientists and doctors against.
I would never trust any fucking politician with my life.

 

[luisHK]

It's beyond belief that some people think it's ok to have x10 mortality, as you have to compare Sweden to Denmark, its neighbour with a similar lifestyle, for the sake of staying open, despite the massive international slowdowns that made its economy suffer anyway. It's a joke...
I see politicians on the reopening side, scientists and doctors against.
I would never trust any fucking politician with my life.

What´s beyond belief is people discussing important issues and influencing political decisions while taking statistics out of their ass :

Denmark death rate : 91.94 per million
Sweden death rate : 339.78

And the link was a couple of posts above yours :

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

 

[luisHK]

I bet in Italy doctors and health care workers died in much bigger % numbers than in Sweden. In the US too.

A study came out in Spain yesterday btw, results of antibodies test on a representative portion of the population nationwide, estimating 5% of residents had developed antibodies, 10 to 15% in Madrid. Interestingly essential workers didn´t appear to be more affected than the rest of the population

 

[Pekelo]

It's beyond belief that some people think it's ok to have x10 mortality,

It is 3 times the mortality, and half of the dead was older than the average expectancy by 3 years.

But we will see how India (long term lock down is not a solution) or Brazil (not enough hospital beds) do for a comparison.

There are other components then just life itself. Like quality of life. Almost every country that locked down is opening up although the numbers are not where they should be. So there is that... You can't lock up a country forever. Unless the death rate is 20%, than every man is for himself.

 

[Pekelo]

estimating 5% of residents had developed antibodies, 10 to 15% in Madrid.

London has 17. By the end of the summer we could do 40+%.

 

[cesfx]

How do you know London has 17% and it will be 40% at the end of summer? You can not produce figures without any test.
I run a business in London and I wish you are correct, but to have those figures is a pure guess. I wasn't tested and none I know was ever tested. I live in an area with 600 cases and 200 deaths.
You can't possibly tell London stats when very few have been tested and people are told to stay alert and stay home if sick.
There are very poor parts of Europe, less populated, where you get tested if you have symptoms... Then the richest city in Europe does not bother. You can not even visit your GP or get dental hygiene. We are queuing for everything. Some parks are crammed and the city of London is deserted.
It's badly managed.
I find the herd immunity Cummings gang project as pathetic. But as I have a shut down business, I would love to see the city reopen, because it's pointless to have a lot of people crammed in one place and most of the city empty.

 

[cesfx]

What´s beyond belief is people discussing important issues and influencing political decisions while taking statistics out of their ass :

Denmark death rate : 91.94 per million
Sweden death rate : 339.78

And the link was a couple of posts above yours :

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

X 3.6
I confused mortality with death count. Still awfully bad.

I guess you are not referring to my comment when you say "influencing political decisions", are you?

Because what comes out of mine could be a delicacy for some with a foul mouth.

But I don't see myself influencing important political decisions... so I take no offence.

x3.6 still suck, death count is still
going up but I am fed up and stopped checking. Herd immunity is an idiotic concept that brought shame to the countries trying it and their businesses are suffering badly anyway.

 

[apdxyk]

Herd immunity is an idiotic concept that brought shame to the countries trying it and their businesses are suffering badly anyway.

What shame?
Sweden: 427 dpm
UK: 574 dpm

And the quality of life or death? Priceless. And you have not even started Brexit yet... keep gaslighting...