Sweden

[virtusa]

An article very pro Sweden policy, but taking for granted Sweden is past its infection peak. Outside Sweden, much of Europe hasn´t even reopened its borders, sometimes even to its own citizens wishing to leave, and 2 weeks quarantine on arrival are already introduced, it just happened to France and other EU countries might follow.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/sweden-bucked-conventional-wisdom-other-222649065.html

Spring is in the air, and it is increasingly found in the confident step of the people of Sweden.

With a death rate significantly lower than that of France, Spain, the U.K., Belgium, Italy, and other European Union countries, Swedes can enjoy the spring without panic or fears of reigniting a new epidemic as they go about their day in a largely normal fashion.

This article is complete nonsense.As of today may 11 these are the numbers:

Finland 271 death; per 1 million population 49
Norway 224 death; per 1 million population 41
Denmark 533 death; per 1 million population 92
Sweden 3,256 death; per 1 million population 322!!!

Sweden has more than 3 times more death than Finland, Norway and Denmark TOGETHER.

 

[southall]

Sweden has more than 3 times more death than Finland, Norway and Denmark TOGETHER.

But at what economic cost to Finland, Norway and Denmark?

I don't know, so i'm asking how much worse are the lockdowns in Finland, Norway and Denmark?

Is the cost of saving those (mostly) old people worth it?

 

[virtusa]

But at what economic cost to Finland, Norway and Denmark?

I don't know, so i'm asking how much worse are the lockdowns in Finland, Norway and Denmark?

Is the economic cost of saving all those old people worth it?

It is too early to draw any conclusions.
Covid should be finished first and we should wait at least 1 year to see how big or small the economical damage is. Some studies indicate that end of may economy will again be at 80% already... We have to wait and see.

 

[luisHK]

Yeah, " the article is total non sense because Sweden now has much more deaths than its neighbours" is not much of an argument.
There s not just an economic cost, but also societal psychological and health costs. How do people react when they are locked in by their government, them and their kids kept out of school, work and social life months at an end, for many without a clear hope a finding a new job or saving their business ?
Besides the likely upcoming deaths in locked down countries when reopening society, there s also the problem with reopening the countries, although this might be vicious for Sweden while it doesn t face the issue of reopening borders it has not locked in the first place. Read somewhere a very negative article about Sweden policy, claiming the its residemts might be kept locked out of other european countries when they open up for having so many cases, and I d add as a punishment for not having followed suit in locking down. This makes sense now that some european countries are discussing and signing bilateral deals to allow their residents to travel between those same countries, keeping much more restrictions on people originating elsewhere.
Also one would need to look into how tough the lockdowns were, read in Denmark it was far from extreme, many shops still having the option to open although against government s advice ( didn t read more details though).
I might have a differemt opinion if living in Denmark, but right now in Madrid where kids had to remain locked indoors 6 weeks and adults 7 weeks before they were even allowed to stroll outdoors at specific times of tge day and things are now moving very slowly, schools expected to reopen in Seotember only and at half capacity, I d much rather we let the virus rip through, don t even care for Swedish style social distancing
The threat of a second wave while the first had already nothing to envy to Sweden slows down reopening s lot btw, a painful issue when having to live through this mess

 

[Pekelo]

2 things to consider:

1. NY headline is that they lost so much money by locking down that they don't have enough to reopen. I know, and it is not from the Onion.

2. We have to look at who is dying. In Sweden (and evreywhere else)it is the elderly. The point is that the workforce is pretty much untouched and well, old folks do die anyway. Not to mention the relief on the soc. sec. system if I want to be drastic. So from an accounting POV Sweden is saving the economy while saving soc. sec.

Politicians don't like to admit but we are not equal in this fight.

 

[luisHK]

It seems health care in Sweden hasn t been overwhelmed btw, which is an important issue advanced to justify lockdowns. It looks like they have reached a peak over 3 weeks ago and have been experimenting a plateau since then.

 

[wrbtrader]

This article is complete nonsense.As of today may 11 these are the numbers:

Finland 271 death; per 1 million population 49
Norway 224 death; per 1 million population 41
Denmark 533 death; per 1 million population 92
Sweden 3,256 death; per 1 million population 322!!!

Sweden has more than 3 times more death than Finland, Norway and Denmark TOGETHER.

I would like to see somewhere that has those stats broken down by age group.

Yet, I already know Sweden has a very old elderly population but I'm very curious about the infection rate / deaths for the young involving each country now that more younger people are becoming infected.

wrbtrader

 

[luisHK]

I would like to see somewhere that has those stats broken down by age group.

Yet, I already know Sweden has a very old elderly population but I'm very curious about the infection rate / deaths for the young involving each country now that more younger people are becoming infected.

wrbtrader

There are many such studies around, below is one I posted yesterday looking at several countries. Considering estimates there are at least 10 times more people infected than cases declared, those death rates are in reality much lower, particularly for the youth who are most likely not to be sick enough to go to the hospital with serious coronavirus symptoms, a requirement to be tested in many countries.

COVID-19: I’m Treating Too Many Young People for the Coronavirus

 

[wrbtrader]

There are many such studies around, below is one I posted yesterday looking at several countries. Considering estimates there are at least 10 times more people infected than cases declared, those death rates are in reality much lower, particularly for the youth who are most likely not to be sick enough to go to the hospital with serious coronavirus symptoms, a requirement to be tested in many countries.

COVID-19: I’m Treating Too Many Young People for the Coronavirus

Yeah, but I was wondering about studies comparing Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway and maybe U.K.

wrbtrader

 

[Pekelo]

It just occurred to me that Sweden could be compared to Pennsylvania as population goes. The death rate is also comparable, but one of them closed down for 2 months and the other didn't....