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Turveyd said:
So Spain loses a year of tourism for 1 year guess the summer is gone anyways.

Thankfully still walk and ride bike at the moment, was talking in the UK about stopping outside excersize, Beach HELL NO!! crazy, that's considered suicide ( not the plague ) but going to tesco's small or big is just fine, they don't get inside with heaters it'll make the virus airborne for hours, but because the government has said that's safe and beach isn't, then all is fine, CRAZY!!!!

People really are easily led stupid sheep, 95% of UK just going nuts, 20year olds convinced there going to die almost to the point of getting it over and just topping themselves, bit more media scare stories of a 20year old OMG dying and i'm sure they'll start.

Cops mostly here think it's nothing, but have warned me, if there ordered to start doing crap, they'll have to obey but in the mean time err what ever there ignoring it :)
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FMI published previsions earlier this week, it expects Spain to be the worst hit european country this year economicaly (calculated in PIB reduction) and the one with the least rebound next year.
And sure, fear mongering is insane here as well, there seems to be some limitation on the power of the government to intervene in residence public spaces, like lobbies and gardens. Police have advised the managements to close those and people to not use them. They published some retarded ads with the hashtag #notefies (#don´t trust) basically stating people are risking their life if they hang out in those public areas. It´s been followed by instructions by some administration of properties group to close all those areas but this doesn´t seem to be enforced everywhere (we happily have a fantastic park for comparatively few apartments and it´s still open, but the only people I have noticed strolling in the residence park next to ours were walking their dog. My daughters friends live there and they´ve been locked in 24/7 for over 5 weeks now. Not sure they even got a chance to follow their mom to the supermarket.
Most people in this neighborhood have access to a garden and the police doesn't hang out here at the moment, but my sports coach who lives 5kms away in a more cramped area has been checked 5 times already, by unfriendly cops (3 times outside his building, twice at the gym, according to him). Young adults living alone in small apartments who get jumped by cops when they go out must be going insane. Some politicians have at last started asking for permission to go out for kids.
 
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luisHK said:
FMI published previsions earlier this week, it expects Spain to be the worst hit european country this year economicaly (calculated in PIB reduction) and the one with the least rebound next year.
And sure, fear mongering is insane here as well, there seems to be some limitation on the power of the government to intervene in residence public spaces, like lobbies and gardens. Police have advised the managements to close those and people to not use them. They published some retarded ads with the hashtag #notefies (#don´t trust) basically stating people are risking their life if they hang out in those public areas. It´s been followed by instructions by some administration of properties group to close all those areas but this doesn´t seem to be enforced everywhere (we happily have a fantastic park for comparatively few apartments and it´s still open, but the only people I have noticed strolling in the residence park next to ours were walking their dog. My daughters friends live there and they are locked in 24/7 for over 5 weeks now. Not sure they even got a chance to follow their mom to the supermarket.
Most people in this neighbourhood have access to a garden and the police doesn´t hang out here at the moment, but my sports coach who lives 5kms away in a more cramped ares has been checked 5 times already, by unfriendly cops (3 times outside his building, twice at the gym, according to him). Young adults living alone in small apartments who get jumped by cops when they go out must be going insane. Some politicians have at last started asking for permission to go out for kids.
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Nutty, everyone here is, if you go out, you'll kill people, ( think they'll die ), just stay home.

Death rate is <0.1% over all ( USA maybe <0.2% there fat ), death rate on a health 20year old <0.01% but they don't get it or ever will the FEAR has taken over, OMG a 29year old died and if he died then I'm surely screwed.

Had it, loads of mates have had it, girl next door just had it, everyones alive and fine, mates mom 73 exposed no symptoms at all, it's a nothing.
 
Turveyd said:
Can Sweden then let people into there country without fear of a new infection and repeat ?? yes they can.
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Actually Sweden borders still seem open to EEA nationals (most european countries) from what I read today. We might fly somewhere in Northern Europe this summer, first as a vacation but also with the idea of staying there if the situation doesn´t get better in Spain. A big reason to come here was for daughter to train at a renowned Sports school, which happened to be awesome beyond expectations, but in this situation it loses interest, especially if it lasts until the end of the year or beyond. Still hoping they get a special authorization to train their competitive group behind locked doors (which they got the first few days, when all sports centers in public buildings had to close before the national state of emergency was declared) but far from sure, and to their credit, they are doing great work organizing decent online coaching.
There are other reasons to have me prefer living in Spain than Sweden btw, but atm the country looks like an oppressive jail.
 
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All "youse" guys are thinking about this in the right way, but with incomplete data.

It's like China suddenly saying that "Oops, we erred, our province of 11,000,000 people did not have 1500 deaths, but 3000. And that was after 6 months of exposure. I.E., Wuhan, where it started."

Riggghhht.

Do y'all REALLY think any country has an accurate measure of how many people have died from this thing? Especially in the rural areas of Scandinavia where there is more livestock than people? Yeah, a LOT of accurate reporting going on in the Lappland as compared to, say, Brooklyn.
 
luisHK said:
Actually Sweden borders still seem open to EEA nationals (most european countries) from what I read today. We must fly somewhere in Norther Europe this summer and think of moving there if the situation doesn´t get better in Spain. A big reason to come here was for daughter to train in a Sports school, which happened to be awesoime beyond expectations, but in this situation it loses interest, especially if it last until the end of the year or beyond. Still hoping they get a special authorisaqtion to train their competitive group behind locked doors but far from sure, and to their credit, they are doing great work organising decent online coaching.
There are other reasons to have me prefer living in Sain than Sweden btw, but atm the country looks like an oppressive jail.
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Sweden kinda cold I guess even in the summer compared to spain, but it's about anyone chance of getting a holiday this year, where you don't spend 2weeks stuck in your hotel room.

I'm not that effected, mainly sneaking around to see 1 nice girlie who has had it and doesn't buy into the fear, tad bit of work which would be remote anyway, still got trading and no 1 cares if I go ride bike in the forest or road bike at night for 4hours so far.

Haven't seen my kids other than Video in 4 weeks mind, despite the mom having it off me already, but not 100% sure even though not effecting kids at all, arrgggghhhh PEOPLE!!
 
Overnight said:
All "youse" guys are thinking about this in the right way, but with incomplete data.

It's like China suddenly saying that "Oops, we erred, our province of 11,000,000 people did not have 1500 deaths, but 3000. And that was after 6 months of exposure. I.E., Wuhan, where it started."

Riggghhht.

Do y'all REALLY think any country has an accurate measure of how many people have died from this thing? Especially in the rural areas of Scandinavia where there is more livestock than people? Yeah, a LOT of accurate reporting going on in the Lappland as compared to, say, Brooklyn.
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Sweden likely honest on it's count, no reason to lie.

UK over exaggerating to back up the lockdown, numbers tripled day after lockdown for no apparant reason.

Others that locked down early, they'll be trying to put in low figures to prove lock down is working.

Italy there saying 90% of there deaths aren't really because of C19, merely tested with, big investigation as that's not legal going on, 90% FFS!!
 
Haven't heard from my nasty spoilt lazy bitch of a daughter in 5weeks since I told her no more money, which is just FANTASTIC :) Not my fault wasn't aware till she was mine till 18, mom did a really shit job of bringing her up and just can't fix that.

So life is GOOD :)
 
Turveyd said:
Italy there saying 90% of there deaths aren't really because of C19, merely tested with, big investigation as that's not legal going on, 90% FFS!!
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Uh ?!? any link to share on that issue ?
But yes, policy here is to count any death touching someone testing positive to coronavirus as a coronavirus death, yet, the argument is how much underestimated is that number, not the contrary.
A lady aged 107y o just died in Italy - from the coronavirus- another tragic early death indeed.
Still the total death in Italy, Spain and Ecuador, especially in elderly residences for the first 2 countries, appear way higher than usual. It will be interesting to see how they add up after one year (see if a lot of the victims were supposed to die within a few months anyway)
 
Turveyd said:
Sweden likely honest on it's count, no reason to lie.
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It is not about "lying", or intentionally covering up numbers. It is simply about inadequate data. If country A and country B are of equal size in population, and country A tests 80% of their people and have 20% positive, while country B tests 20% of their people and has 80% positive, how can you compare that logically? And...Are they both using the exact same tests, applying those tests in the same methodical ways with same chance of no contamination, with no false negatives or false positives?

It is a logistical nightmare, and I am sure is leading to skew.
 
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