Sweden

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/w...sas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

The plan to keep the borders closed for a long time was floated before and restated today with the end of October timeframe, it is not officially approved yet. Lots of news coming out here along the deescalation plan. Reading the link above, if it is accurate it seems so far only land borders are closed from Spain. It remains to be seen what flights are still available and who is able to take them, wondering how it will evolve. I'm bordering panic here, parts of the society are to be reopened very soon which yesterday evening looked good, but today it appears circulation is expected to be very far from free for a long time, with the risk of another tough lockdown . Planning to wait for the end of the school year, so end of June, and we'll need to decide whether to escape in a hurry, possibly through France if other european borders from there have reopened or risk another year here.
 
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lol, according to Kayak.es shortest flight from Madrid to Stockholm this week end takes 22h. Vienna is not much better. There is a direct flight to Frankfurt. Strange and unpleasant times.
I really can't fathom how this lockdown would be worth the cost.
 
southall said:
They are not worth the cost. But the Politicans in power don't want the blood on their hands. Media and opposition parties would crucify them.
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That's unfortunately true. I hate the local government as much of the next guy, but don't forget some opposition leader claiming @If Spain doesn't do something today, there won't be Spain tomorrow@ a few weeks ago. Also the cumbersome schedule rules are pushed by provincial governments, and these might get approved by sunday - last week they changed the rules at least 3 times in that single week regarding kids going out - after they'd been locked in 6 weeks.
 
luisHK said:
older folks are most satisfied with the relaxed approach, which can come as surprising.
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I have an old friend who also has this shall I say, Republican approach. If I die, I die. But there is a logic to it. If you are old and your time is limited, do you really want to spend it locked up and not enjoying anything? Just waiting for the vaccine? You might as well just take your chances...
 
And in US, we are approaching the number of deaths per million they have in Sweden. With or whithout all the hysteria and politicking the results are the same.
 
apdxyk said:
And in US, we are approaching the number of deaths per million they have in Sweden. With or whithout all the hysteria and politicking the results are the same.
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Sweden is at 85,000 US equivalent deaths.
30% more than the US.

Based on Sweden we could say US lockdowns have prevented 20,000 deaths.

UK has not been so lucky.
 
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apdxyk said:
And in US, we are approaching the number of deaths per million they have in Sweden. With or whithout all the hysteria and politicking the results are the same.
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You are right, flattening the curve doesn't mean less death if everyone eventually get the disease. You reduce the death by making sure the virus dies out and only a limited number get it.

The benefits of flattening the curve:

1. Reduce the demand for healthcare so hospitals do not get overwhelmed.

2. Hope it will only infect a small number instead of all the population.

3. Buy time to find a treatment/cure.
 
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