Sweden

[luisHK]

Hhmnn guess it depends on the country and personal attitude.
I couldn't care less & was still exercising in public places despite warnings and potential penalties.
We have begun first phase of ending the quarantine as well, most of the shops/business are open by now.

Yes Northern Europe, East and West seems to be doing much better than Spain Italy France and UK, with Spain boasting proudly (you read it right: proudly) the most repressive policies.
Enjoy the reopening, I ll be following the news, see if it s worth moving North,

 

[Nobert]

Spain Italy France.. proudly

Some people/nations, will find significance/feeling of achievement,
- in the weirdest ,,accomplishments''.

Yup, move here.
Only 15% on short term gains and if you keep over 3 years - profits become tax free.

 

[luisHK]

Sweden looking more and more like normal, shops which were voluntarily closed are reopening and people are moving more than a few weeks ago. Communications from official health agency comforting.No catastrophe so far. From Forbes :

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrie...tastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/

 

[Nobert]

Sweden looking more and more like normal, shops which were voluntarily closed are reopening and people are moving more than a few weeks ago. Communications from official health agency comforting.No catastrophe so far. From Forbes :

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrie...tastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/

This deserves to be shared as it's own topic.
(as a response, to all of that negative nonsense out there)

 

[Whynottrade]

Norway and Finland together has more than Sweden's population. Similar culture, geography, food habits etc.

# of deaths due to COVID

Norway - 134
Finland - 59
Total - 193

Sweden - 919

Increase in fatalities during the past 15 days

Sweden - 1456
Norway+Finland - 212

"Swedish Policy Factor" = 6.87

 

[Cuddles]

This is basically the same opinion quoting from the reddit thread above, what B1S2 said in post #170:

"fmarton 15 points 5 days ago

Lockdowns will never prevent the inevitable. It is interesting why it is so pervasive that lockdowns will get us out of this mess. They won't. All they can do is slow the spread to possibly prevent overwhelming the health system. A lockdown that is too early and too severe is just delaying the inevitable while also drastically affecting other socioeconomic problems.

Most studies are putting the IFR at 0.3-0.6%. The exact number is still unknown. More people will die in the Netherlands. It is impossible to prevent this. It will largely be elderly but unfortunately there will be some young patients that get swept up in it. That is the reality. There is no way to prevent this. The only thing that can be prevented is excess mortality if the health system is overrun - so some degree of social distancing will still be needed.

Vaccines and other treatments may eventually help, but they are months away. At that point, keeping a lockdown going will have adverse effects greater than deaths from the virus.

Sweden's approach might not be the wrong one. It will be interesting to see what happens."

What? So lockdowns didn't work w/SARS, MERS, Ebola? I don't even know where to start w/this logic.

Might be a better idea to start a new thread but here it goes, an article from the LA Times describing Israel idea to speed up herd immunity by having young volunteers get infected on purpose. The article also shortly discusses Sweden, UK and India. Interesting.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/could-controlled-avalanche-stop-coronavirus-212135278.html

I floated the idea in my head to intentionally get infected before hospital capacity was overwhelmed. What put me off is the lack of data on the virus itself at the time. Another idea that's been floating in my head is the same as Israel's, infect the less vulnerable so we can harvest antibodies on a massive scale. Only way to pump them out in industrial numbers.

Start w/the children

 

[Pekelo]

What? So lockdowns didn't work w/SARS, MERS, Ebola?

They didn't have a 2 weeks quiet period.

 

[luisHK]

Sorry something wrong on my keyboard and I can't find question marks anymore, they show as _
Spain, a EU and Shenghen member, came up with a lockdown deescalation plan
Borders to be closed until at least end of October, Spanish folks locked in the country and foreigners can't visit. A measure already considered nonsensical by swedish authorities, as the virus is widespread.
People will be allowed to go out by themselves to stroll or jog from this sunday, possibly having to obey to a government imposed schedule, like 6am -8am to stroll or jog, 8to 10 to go to work, 10am to 1pm for kids under 5 y o, 1 to 4pm to allow municipal employees to clean the streets etc... Not clear when one will be able to go and meet a friend, hopefully it will follow shortly
It seems here in Spain, the government still has hope, or claims to have, to make the virus disappear. Today a study came up with november 28th as the date of the last infection in Spain. How more absurd can one get _ And what would they plan to do in that case _ Keep the country like a large jail as any contact with overseas could bring back the virus _
Schools not to reopen before September
Some sports are to reopen slowly, within 2 months there might be sporting event with public, as long as each spectator enjoys 20sqm to themselves...
There's no plan yet to reopen contact sports - which sucks big time for us.
In case infection numbers increase, those stunning relaxations in rules could be cancelled and a strict lockdown reinstated
It all looks like hell. A virus with 99.5% survival rate was enough for whole countries to give up their culture and freedom.
Sweden still has no lockdown, kept open borders with the western world and health care is able to handle the workload while the population isn't panicking. It also has no worry on reopening the country. Not clear to me how Spain did fuck up so much, or what it plans to achieve with locking the country indefinetely

 

[southall]

Spain, a EU and Shenghen member, came up with a lockdown deescalation plan
Borders to be closed until at least end of October, Spanish folks locked in the country and foreigners can't visit. A measure already considered nonsensical by swedish authorities, as the virus is widespread.
It seems here in Spain, the government still has hope, or claims to have, to make the virus disappear. Today a study came up with november 28th as the date of the last infection in Spain.

Thats not good.
There will almost certainly be another wave later this year as weather turns colder. Probably starting September. So i cant see Spain coming out of lockdown until April next year then.
Same thing might happen in the UK as well.

 

[luisHK]

Not good at all. Doesn't make much sense either, and what the government is messing up here is not only a few billion in the yearly budget.