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MrScalper said:
Traders!, you got to be kidding, right :)
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I never dismiss anyone on elite unless their premise is complete nonsense. Im trying to figure out what you were saying/asking previously.

You want access to a million $ account to trade the ES for a month to prove a point? Am i following you? Is your trading automated? Will you take first loss position with $50k or more and accept getting shut off once your deposit is lost? What about size?

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volpri said:
Don't forget "you photoshopped it" and "how do we know you are presenting all your trades and not just your winners?"

Any proof will be contested and contested till to no end. The latter I mentioned above is basically unproveable...a trader could have multiple accounts. So, best to just present principals..what you do and why and how...and doubters or believers can both check it out to their own satisfaction. Besides what works for one won't necessarily work for the other because it doesn't fit their style...comfort level..or make sense to them. So, no matter what you share you cannot, nor will ever, please everyone. Folks should learn to judge the ideas and test the ideas and not the trader. I monkey around and humour around to have a little fun and pass time (trading can get boring waiting for setups) but i don't care if surf has his 1000 point drop. As a matter of fact I hope he does get it. I might even buy his book. Who knows? I'm am sure he knows a thing or two I don't ..ROFLMAO!

On the other side of the coin. I do understand why traders would request such things. Many are tired of trying things they can't get to work for themselves. It is a long arduous journey. It gets discouraging losing money one worked hard to get and saved. A trader just has to do their best to persist and persevere and preserve their capital the best they can as they learn and finally discover something that works for them. It isn't an easy road to travel. The psychological hump in the road can be the biggest setback of all.

I laugh alot. I try to have some fun. I laugh at myself alot. Life is too short to go around all tensed up all the time.

CR8OR (aka County Road 8) started his own thread on how to turn 1000 into 100,000 in a year or less. Sounds ridiculous. Right. Thats ok. I'm willing to hear him out. I don't care for EW but if he has found a way to make it work for him, I'd be interested. I like learning new things even though i am getting well...old. If it is just BS (even if it isn't BS) then i'll laugh and have a good time poking fun but it isn't the end of my world..by a long shot. One thing I will guarantee. I will learn SOMETHING from him that i can put to use. Still trying to find that from the surf but I am confident it is there. Just gotta have patience. May have to buy his book. Even skippy can give a good point or two (he knows about pizza and fishing), and pistol pete (aka gunslinger) has some of the prettiest cleanest charts i have seen. Whether it really works or not I don't know as he doesn't share enough to test the ideas out.

ENJOY LIFE. IT IS GONE TOO SOON.
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Some good points here


I have made several bets about trading with formerly esteemed and respected members of this site. I lost 2 of the bets and promptly paid up. I won one of the bets for i think $10,000 and the person i bet refused to pay. Not to mention this person has the capital and wasn't some hermit living in his mothers basement.

He Used every excuse under the sun, my size was too small, i didn't post the proof fast enough and on & on not to pay.

I will never bet real money on here again or post requested "proof". When someone you know doesn't pay and you do pay-- its a waste of time going down that road. Zero upside and only downside because one honors their bets or doesn't make them.

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marketsurfer said:
A few wise words from the greatest living speculator--

  1. Vic Niederhoffer‏@VicNiederhoffer 19h19 hours ago
    i dont sell puts anymore. and havent for last 10 years. the reason is that the bd asked spreads are 50% and the liquidity is nil,.only a few

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  2. Vic Niederhoffer‏@VicNiederhoffer 19h19 hours ago
    fam called me -asked to open an acct. I told them as i told all else. I dont know how to make money without great risk. buy good index fnd
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He does KNOW how to lose it BIGTIME! Multiple times! That just puts him in the same boat as all of us just he plays with OPM and can shall I say without being too mean, afford to lose it?
 
volpri said:
He does KNOW how to lose it BIGTIME! Multiple times! That just puts him in the same boat as all of us just he plays with OPM and can shall I say without being too mean, afford to lose it?
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You really have no clue.

The guy made far more money for his investors than he ever lost over time.

Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

surf
 
The mullet are running, im going snook fishing--

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marketsurfer said:
You really have no clue.

The guy made far more money for his investors than he ever lost over time.

Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

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I see I touched a nerve. Are you saying none of his investors lost their goodly amount of capital? They all came out smelling like roses? I was not aware of that.
 
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volpri said:
Don't forget "you photoshopped it" and "how do we know you are presenting all your trades and not just your winners?"

Any proof will be contested and contested till to no end. The latter I mentioned above is basically unproveable...a trader could have multiple accounts and simply pick to show the one with the least losses while the others have big losers. So, best to just present principals..idea..concepts...strategies..tactics..i.e. what you do and why and how...and doubters or believers can both check it out to their own satisfaction. Besides what works for one won't necessarily work for the other because it doesn't fit their style...comfort level..or make sense to them. So, no matter what you share you cannot, nor will ever, please everyone. Folks should learn to judge the ideas and test the ideas and not the trader. I monkey around and humour around to have a little fun and pass time (trading can get boring waiting for setups) but i don't care if surf has his 1000 point drop. As a matter of fact I hope he does get it. I might even buy his book. Who knows? I'm am sure he knows a thing or two I don't ..ROFLMAO!

On the other side of the coin. I do understand why traders would request such things. Many are tired of trying things they can't get to work for themselves. It is a long arduous journey. It gets discouraging losing money one worked hard to get and saved. A trader just has to do their best to persist and persevere and preserve their capital the best they can as they learn and finally discover something that works for them. It isn't an easy road to travel. The psychological hump in the road can be the biggest setback of all.

I laugh alot. I try to have some fun. I laugh at myself alot. Life is too short to go around all tensed up all the time.

CR8OR (aka County Road 8) started his own thread on how to turn 1000 into 100,000 in a year or less. Sounds ridiculous. Right. Thats ok. I'm willing to hear him out. I don't care for EW but if he has found a way to make it work for him, I'd be interested. I like learning new things even though i am getting well...old. If it is just BS (even if it isn't BS) then i'll laugh and have a good time poking fun but it isn't the end of my world..by a long shot. One thing I will guarantee. I will learn SOMETHING from him that i can put to use. Still trying to find that from the surf but I am confident it is there. Just gotta have patience. Right Surf? ROFLMAO. May have to buy his book. Even skippy can give a good point or two (he knows about pizza and fishing), and pistol pete (aka gunslinger) has some of the prettiest cleanest charts i have seen. Whether it really works or not I don't know as he doesn't share enough to test the ideas out.

ENJOY LIFE. IT IS GONE TOO SOON.
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Themickey summed it up nicely, and you've added the missing bits. Trying to convince anyone of anything on here is an exercise in futility. Only fools would start down that road, unless one finds joy in strife.

For the rest of your post, good stuff well said.
 
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