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Gotcha said:
With all due respect, nobody on this thread, you included, is showing anything tangible. Your charts don't show entries and exits, put there by the platform, and all the stuff volpri is showing, while nice when he shows an entry or two, is hardly conclusive enough. He talks about huge market swings with his analysis, but the trades shown were 1 or 2 ES points, essentially scalps, which is odd when you consider that he is talking about analysis that should net much more than this. Its the classic case of "showing" how easy it is to trade with hindsight charts, but perhaps trading it much differently when actual money is on the line. (plus lets not forget that he was only showing trades that worked when in a slowly trending/grinding market)

As far as I'm concerned, for the sake of transparency, everyone is in the same boat as surf.
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1 to 2 points? Look again. ROFLO However, i do scalp 1 to 10 points. My style.
 
volpri said:
1 to 2 points? Look again. ROFLO However, i do scalp 1 to 10 points. My style.
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Fair enough... I was confused with the couple of charts you sent me in PM.

The thing is that I've been around a while, and any time someone starts showing charts with simple patterns drawn, without any entries based on those patterns, I get suspicious. All you're doing right now is saying what happened. If price breaks one way, and fails, or breaks another, and does something else, trades should be triggered. But lately, you haven't mentioned any trades, so all the hindsight analysis you're doing is useless.

Furthermore, I believe the trades you did show weren't marked by the platform, is this true?

When someone shows just a few select trades I'm always suspicious.

As an example, you made this post on Wednesday.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/surf-report.306890/page-174#post-4437001

You note the apex, did you take a long? Where did you close it out because clearly, that trade eventually failed. On this chart, its all after the fact analysis. Even real time description of what price is doing is useless. The skill is in placing the trades.

You seem to show up after big moves with your expert analysis, but really, nobody knows when the big move is about to happen. On days where there isn't a big move, a trader is taking trades never the less, that go nowhere perhaps or are closed for tiny profits or small losses. Why don't we see this in your work?

Edit: This would be an example of where you "say" you entered and exited. Why not show the chart with the trades marked by the platform. What else is there you don't want us to see?

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/surf-report.306890/page-141#post-4429099
 
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Oh no they want proof. I'm out of here!


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themickey said:
This is how it goes....
"Prove its not a sim account"
"Show me time and date stamp"
"Produce the broker statement"
"Show me the account balance"
"Thanks for that but I wasnt really interested and I still don't believe you"
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Don't forget "you photoshopped it" and "how do we know you are presenting all your trades and not just your winners?"

Any proof will be contested and contested till to no end. The latter I mentioned above is basically unproveable...a trader could have multiple accounts and simply pick to show the one with the least losses while the others have big losers. So, best to just present principals..idea..concepts...strategies..tactics..i.e. what you do and why and how...and doubters or believers can both check it out to their own satisfaction. Besides what works for one won't necessarily work for the other because it doesn't fit their style...comfort level..or make sense to them. So, no matter what you share you cannot, nor will ever, please everyone. Folks should learn to judge the ideas and test the ideas and not the trader. I monkey around and humour around to have a little fun and pass time (trading can get boring waiting for setups) but i don't care if surf has his 1000 point drop. As a matter of fact I hope he does get it. I might even buy his book. Who knows? I'm am sure he knows a thing or two I don't ..ROFLMAO!

On the other side of the coin. I do understand why traders would request such things. Many are tired of trying things they can't get to work for themselves. It is a long arduous journey. It gets discouraging losing money one worked hard to get and saved. A trader just has to do their best to persist and persevere and preserve their capital the best they can as they learn and finally discover something that works for them. It isn't an easy road to travel. The psychological hump in the road can be the biggest setback of all.

I laugh alot. I try to have some fun. I laugh at myself alot. Life is too short to go around all tensed up all the time.

CR8OR (aka County Road 8) started his own thread on how to turn 1000 into 100,000 in a year or less. Sounds ridiculous. Right. Thats ok. I'm willing to hear him out. I don't care for EW but if he has found a way to make it work for him, I'd be interested. I like learning new things even though i am getting well...old. If it is just BS (even if it isn't BS) then i'll laugh and have a good time poking fun but it isn't the end of my world..by a long shot. One thing I will guarantee. I will learn SOMETHING from him that i can put to use. Still trying to find that from the surf but I am confident it is there. Just gotta have patience. Right Surf? ROFLMAO. May have to buy his book. Even skippy can give a good point or two (he knows about pizza and fishing), and pistol pete (aka gunslinger) has some of the prettiest cleanest charts i have seen. Whether it really works or not I don't know as he doesn't share enough to test the ideas out.

ENJOY LIFE. IT IS GONE TOO SOON.
 
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