Supreme court upholds voter ID law, disenfranchising native Americans in ND

[Cuddles]

Not necessarily. But if it is a choice between securing our elections to ensure no one commits fraud that can affect the results of democratic elections and by doing so, we have to unfortunately make it so homeless folks who cannot provide evidence of any residence cannot vote, then I choose protecting the electoral process every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.



25 percent of the American public are estimated to own a gun. That is a bit more than a "small minority".



Again, not "a few people". Millions of gun owners are estimated to own an AR-15 or similar platform (note that assault rifles are incorrectly classed as such, and you cannot purchase "assault rifles" like you claim).



The Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Assemble peacefully are rights ensured by the Constitution of the United States. Incidentally, this right is not ensured in a private work place. Meaning (and this has been explained to you folks a million times) if you take a paycheck to work somewhere, you don't always get the ability to do as you wish, when you wish it.



On the contrary, I stick up to follow the Constitution whenever and wherever it is to be applied. I do not pick and choose like many on the left. You are welcome to show me one example where this is not the case. Just....one.



The reality is that Conservatives want electoral fraud eliminated. Are there some who see it as a way to suppress voting rights? There are crazies everywhere. But why can't you tell me why it is OK to need ID for all the things mentioned above, but not OK for voting?

The Constitution guarantees the right to vote to all citizens, without need for housing or Id cards.

 

[gwb-trading]

The Constitution guarantees the right to vote to all citizens, without need for housing or Id cards.

Please cite exactly where in the Constitution this is stated.

Please note that for most of our nation' history the right to vote was greatly restricted by gender, race, property, etc.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The Constitution guarantees the right to vote to all citizens, without need for housing or Id cards.

Really? Where?

 

[Cuddles]

The Heritage Foundation isn't some "right wing rag". There are plenty of examples of fraud, but what is scary is all of the instances we don't yet know about.

http://thf-legal.s3.amazonaws.com/VoterFraudCases.pdf

You still have not answered why it is such a big deal to ask for ID for an important issue like voting, but why you and all other liberals don't care if we ask for ID for the many other things that require it. (from Captain Obvious' post)

Like I said, insignificant. 900 cases in what, a decade? For the whole country? You're screwing near 3000 people with this ND case. 53000 people in that other case from last week, in REGIONAL races.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Please note that for most of our nation' history the right to vote was greatly restricted by gender, race, property, etc.

And was all of that in the Constitution, or might some of it have been slipped into the "voting rules" to manipulate the outcome?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Like I said, insignificant. 900 cases in what, a decade? For the whole country? You're screwing near 3000 people with this ND case. 53000 people in that other case from last week, in REGIONAL races.

Those are just the examples we know of. It's quite likely the true nature of the problem is much, much larger and - here's the kicker - getting worse every election.

Still haven't answered why ID shouldn't be needed for voting, but should be needed for the list of things I listed above.

 

[gwb-trading]

And was all of that in the Constitution, or might some of it have been slipped into the "voting rules" to manipulate the outcome?

Time for you to go read the amendments and the original document.

There are no restrictions on requiring housing or Id cards.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Time for you to go read the amendments and the original document.

There are no restrictions on requiring housing or Id cards.

I refer to the other, past voting restrictions you noted earlier. Were they in the Constitution, which you hold so dear?

 

[gwb-trading]

I refer to the other, past voting restrictions you noted earlier. Were they in the Constitution, which you hold so dear?

Actually yeah... many of them were until the amendments came out. Why don't you look up the history women's suffrage in the U.S.

Still -- nowhere in the Constitution is there anything restricting states from using housing or picture ids in voting.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Still -- nowhere in the Constitution is there anything restricting states from using housing or picture ids in voting.

"You don't live in adequate housing? Tough shit. And, as a bonus, you don't get to vote."

These are the rules you want to play by? God bless America, huh?