Of course they do, though it's not just about illegal aliens. It's about voter fraud. What's more, is there are tons of examples where you are required to have an ID, and liberals don't have problems with any of those. Why not? Why just when voting requires an ID is there an issue?
Supreme court upholds voter ID law, disenfranchising native Americans in ND
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Of course they do, though it's not just about illegal aliens. It's about voter fraud. What's more, is there are tons of examples where you are required to have an ID, and liberals don't have problems with any of those. Why not? Why just when voting requires an ID is there an issue?
So you want to deprive them of their voting rights? How nice of you.
Democrats want each and every loophole they can use to engage in voter fraud! Let us not dance around what they are actually doing! Who uses dead people to vote? Why do they insist that felons who lost their right to vote be given those rights back contrary to law? How come they object to anyone purging the voting rolls of dead people and illegals? Aren't they interested in fair and honest elections? It is all about power! Staying in political office by any means necessary! That is why we need to clean house this coming midterm elections. The only way we end election fraud in the US is to remove as many Democrats from power! That will prevent them from cheating in US elections!
You're blinded by partisanship, you know full well voter fraud numbers are insignificant compared to those affected by these measures, no matter what the right wing rags would have you believe.
If the GOP cared about voter fraud, they'd care about the cyber security of our electoral system. What's a dozen fraudulent votes compared to thousands disenfranchised by these laws? To potential tens of thousands with the click of a few buttons?
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
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The Heritage Foundation isn't some "right wing rag". There are plenty of examples of fraud, but what is scary is all of the instances we don't yet know about.
http://thf-legal.s3.amazonaws.com/VoterFraudCases.pdf
You still have not answered why it is such a big deal to ask for ID for an important issue like voting, but why you and all other liberals don't care if we ask for ID for the many other things that require it. (from Captain Obvious' post)
You are willing to deprive someone of their constitutional right because they lack the funds to obtain permanent housing?
Yet, you want the government to go through hoops (you have mentioned increased surveillance and quicker intervention on potential shooters) so that a small minority of the population can buy assault rifles.
Fair point on the transgenders. But that is a strawman argument. Guns are another example. A few people want to buy ar-15s and so millions of people have to worry about school shootings. But that is okay, because it's a constitutional right.
A few neo-nazis want to walk in a park carrying tiki torches and millions have to deal with it on TV. That is okay, because it's free speech. A few black players want to kneel, but that is wrong because millions have to see politics in sports.
The more rational right-wingers on this site (like yourself) claim to be constitutionalists, but it reality that only applies when the application of the constitution follows their beliefs.
The reality is that conservatives back this law because they want to deprive minorities of their voting rights who will likely vote Democrat (the party that doesn't tell them there is something wrong with them). Its not about election fraud. There is no substantiated evidence that election fraud is a serious issue in the US. It's a bogey man to rile your side up (which lives in fear of the deep state, Venezuela, and foreigners).
They want to hold on to the Senate. The Dem for ND won by a slim margin of 3000 votes and she's up for reelection in November.
Coincidentally, this rule screws over about the same number of native Americans who overwhelmingly vote Democrat
"There is no substantiated evidence that election fraud is a serious issue in the US. It's a bogey man to rile your side up..."
There's no substantiated evidence of Russian collusion either, but that doesn't stop your side from looking for it, and indeed fabricating evidence to justify the continuing search.
You either take the sanctity of the electoral process seriously or you don't. One cannot claim to be outraged at the possibility of foreign players influencing our electoral process, and then blow off the very real threat of non citizens showing up to cast their vote as if that presents no problem.
Not to worry though, your rogue states like California and Illinois are issuing valid drivers licences to illegals, which will then be used as a legit ID to vote. Understandable strategy seeing that so many blacks are fleeing the dem plantation. Got to replace them with someone.
Don't you suppose that they do... especially if Soros & Company slips them a few bucks?
Not necessarily. But if it is a choice between securing our elections to ensure no one commits fraud that can affect the results of democratic elections and by doing so, we have to unfortunately make it so homeless folks who cannot provide evidence of any residence cannot vote, then I choose protecting the electoral process every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
25 percent of the American public are estimated to own a gun. That is a bit more than a "small minority".
Again, not "a few people". Millions of gun owners are estimated to own an AR-15 or similar platform (note that assault rifles are incorrectly classed as such, and you cannot purchase "assault rifles" like you claim).
The Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Assemble peacefully are rights ensured by the Constitution of the United States. Incidentally, this right is not ensured in a private work place. Meaning (and this has been explained to you folks a million times) if you take a paycheck to work somewhere, you don't always get the ability to do as you wish, when you wish it.
On the contrary, I stick up to follow the Constitution whenever and wherever it is to be applied. I do not pick and choose like many on the left. You are welcome to show me one example where this is not the case. Just....one.
The reality is that Conservatives want electoral fraud eliminated. Are there some who see it as a way to suppress voting rights? There are crazies everywhere. But why can't you tell me why it is OK to need ID for all the things mentioned above, but not OK for voting?