Superstition, Luck and Vodoo

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Originally posted by lundy

edit: actually, science isn't necessarily fact, it's simply agreed upon by the general populace. science is really just an evolving consensus on how things work and why.

for example: it was scientific opinion that the world was flat before C.C. sailed to america.


That is a large part of what the problem can be with trading and the the world. If its wrong it is wrong if it is right is is right. There are absolutes. Science is full of absolutes, something as simple as gravity.

Theories are just that, until proven. Trades are just theories, until proven.
 
Originally posted by DblArrow


That is a large part of what the problem can be with trading and the the world. If its wrong it is wrong if it is right is is right. There are absolutes. Science is full of absolutes, something as simple as gravity.

Theories are just that, until proven. Trades are just theories, until proven.

Define right and wrong Dbl Arrow... They are anything but absolute...
 
Originally posted by stu
well that's that then
end of any hope of a rational discussion

Sorry for putting in my 2cents, but is seems you are not open to the other possibility either.
 
Originally posted by Huios
God's purpose's do not march in step with man's purpose. Diametrically opposed.


With the first I would agree, because we want what we want, not necessarily what God wants.

Diametrically opposed? Why because we are selfish?
 
Originally posted by stu
Originally posted by lundy

1. No need to accept it ,test it, learn about it, see if you can get to be more logical/scientific than Darwen


3. As I understand things Religion is a belief in a supernatural power , an atheist doesnt beleive in the existence of a God which is weilding that power. You HAVE to have the God before you can have the atheist. Truisms are there to confuse

1. Science must be observed - there is no observation of the macro-evolution that must be present for this to be true.

3. And as such the above is simply religion - belief with no evidence. All religion is a belief on the unseen.
 
Originally posted by FasterPussycat
that the very thing (reason) invented by your gawd (yeah right)..

is also the very thing that ultimately felled him.

this divine belief produces an interesting paradox; how does an alleged omnipotent being make such a mistake? haha

What exactly is this supposed to mean? More jibberish from whom it is to be expected?
 
Originally posted by darkhorse
There are many 'potential' ideas for how things could be, and it is easy for the mind to seize on the idea it likes and fill in the holes, especially if said mind is an intelligent/creative one. Better to be brutally honest and let reality speak for itself, even if we do not like what reality is saying to us.

Is any mind, in the end, really capable of seizing onto and adopting a belief system that it doesn't in some sense "like"? Some minds might by nature tend to seek out the alien and the repellent, but, if the given b.s. (!) were entirely alien and repellent, then the mind would be incapable even of recognizing it as a b.s. Something about the b.s. must be attractive and familiar enough to engage the mind. Then, if the b.s. has sufficient dynamic force, or if the mind is sufficiently flexible or vulnerable, the mind might in the process of exploring or pretending to explore the b.s., find itself shaped by the b.s., in a sense become the b.s., or at least become its own version of the b.s. Equally, because no two individual minds or the understandings they reach can ever be absolutely identical, no one's b.s. can ever be absolutely identical to anyone else's b.s... perhaps suggesting hat even if I earnestly desired to believe the same thing that you believe, I could never actually manage to come to believe it, just as, try as you might, you could never get me to believe as you do. The very words could never mean the same things to each of us, could ever resonate the same, couuld ever take on the same shapes or priorities, no matter how fervently and synchronously we recited them together...

Or... you can't jump over your own shadow. Or the owl of Minerva flies at dawn - presumably fleeing the cats that were all gray at midnight. Or... it may be bullshit, but it works for me...

Or this is just one simplistic way, I suppose, of rendering the same problems that have concerned and perplexed philosophers, as well as physicists, mathematicians, and teenagers of all ages, for ages.

All the same, I think I know what you mean to say, and I respect it. I agree that the degree to which something makes us "comfortable" is unlikely to be a very good measure of its truth value, to say the least - unless the question of belief systems happens to be one of the chief exceptions to that general rule, perhaps for the reasons above. Or is affect really to be considered at all, good or bad, pro or con....

Hmmmm.... now I'm rambling, too, and giving further evidence, as if any were needed, to the proposition that, whether atheists or agnostics or theists or gnostics or animists or promiscuists, whether system traders or discretionary traders, swingers or scalpers or packers or CANSLIM positioners, prop firmers or SOHOers, profitable or unprofitable, newbies or vets, spritely young'uns or fat ol' bastards, we're clearly a bunch of space cadets...
 
Originally posted by DT-waw
1 thing is 4 sure: ITS A GIANT LUCK THAT YOU ARE ALIVE. Enjoy life be happy you are here only for the moment

And just why is this 4 sure? What evidence is there to that?
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko
if there is a god, we have no idea what it is. one thing's for sure, however, nothing in the bible had anything to do with our creation.

"we have no idea.... one thing's for sure..."

That is a serious contradiction!
 
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