Subpoena the Whistleblower and Hunter Biden

[UsualName]

And here we go with the Lindsey Graham plan that that I alluded to above.

The headlines are that he will oppose calling Hunter Biden, but the subtext - not to be missed- is that he wants to call Hunter later. ie before a Senate Committee. That way he does not muck up the impeachment trial or trade anything away for something he can get for free over at a Senate Committee. Oh, and guess whose committee it would be. Think the Senate Judiciary Committee...chaired by Lindsey Graham.

Be careful Tards. You are not all that smart.



Lindsey Graham will oppose subpoena of Hunter Biden


“I don’t want to call Hunter Biden. I don’t want to call Joe Biden. I want someone to look at this when this is done,” he said Friday.

 

[Black_Cat]

 

[DTB2]

This is incomplete and in some aspects wrong. Where did you get this timeline from?

Prove it.

 

[piezoe]

Its Piezoe Avenatti...

It was you who missed the point.

Not only did I not say that the Dems did not make any arguments.
I specifically said I heard Schiff or making those points about the president's motivation them on the radio.

I could not believe that was the argument. It was almost irrelevant.

My point is:

Whether Trump's primary motivation was personal gain or national security...
is not dispositive of a crime and constitutionally does not lead to an impeachable offense.

How do I know that?
The democrats did not allege a crime in their articles.

They have essentially alleged bad form and to support their argument they are asking us to discern Trump's state of mind and conclude what he was doing was (only) for personal gain.

it is ridiculous. so what if he was... he has told us he was also (or was) concerned about corruption.

Many legitimate things a president does could be said lead to personal gain.
Many things Joe Biden did lead to personal or family gain.
Many things Obama did lead to gains for kerry and the clintons.
Many things pelosi does help her husband make millions.
That is politics.

Politics is by nature corrupting for all by Plato's philospher kings.

Personal gain can not be the standard for successful Articles of Impeachment.

The impeachment hearings will be archived so you can still see them even if you missed them in real time. Although no specific statutory crimes are being alleged, there were of course statutory crimes committed. The crimes alleged, however, are of a higher order than statutory crimes, i.e., "high crimes and misdemeanors" as described by the framers of the Constitution. These are crimes against our democracy and as such are of the most serious sort possible under our Constitution.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

The crimes alleged, however, are of a higher order than statutory crimes, i.e., "high crimes and misdemeanors" as described by the framers of the Constitution..

The same framers who warned about the danger that the impeachment process could be used by those who were mostly concerned about exercising political power and settling political scores.

 

[DTB2]

The impeachment hearings will be archived so you can still see them even if you missed them in real time. Although no specific statutory crimes are being alleged, there were of course statutory crimes committed. The crimes alleged, however, are of a higher order than statutory crimes, i.e., "high crimes and misdemeanors" as described by the framers of the Constitution. These are crimes against our democracy and as such are of the most serious sort possible under our Constitution.

Those statutory crimes are as clear as Schiff's holding of direct evidence that Trump is a Russian asset.

What a gang of fools.

 

[piezoe]

Fox & Friends host desperately tries to cut off Rudy Giuliani as he spins more Ukraine conspiracies

Rudy Giuliani breathlessly uncorked new conspiracy theories about Joe Biden’s activity in Ukraine, as nervous “Fox & Friends” hosts tried to cut him off.

President Donald Trump’s personal attorney appeared Friday morning on Fox News, where he expanded on the conspiracies that form the heart of the impeachment case against the president.

Co-host Steve Doocy persistently tried to cut Giuliani off to ask a question, but the president’s lawyer continued ranting anti-Biden conspiracies.


“Then we have got another bribe,” he said. “You don’t think the president of the Ukraine shared in that $5 billion that the crook kept?”

“The bribe to the president of the Ukraine, the amount of money I can’t be absolutely sure of,” Giuliani said, stumbling enough to allow Doocy to finally cut in. “Let’s say well in excess of $10 million.”

Doocy tried to redirect Giuliani, who regained his footing.


“That shouldn’t be revealed?” Giuliani said. “From a lawyer who finds out about this? Am I going to cover it up the way the Democrats and media cover it up? Absolutely not. I prosecuted too many corruption cases to sit by and watch my country sold out by a vice president who did it two other times, at least, in China.”

Co-host Ainsley Earhardt asked how the saga would end, and Giuliani said he hoped Biden would land under investigation.

“You don’t think if these things were said about Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. they wouldn’t be under investigation immediately?” Giuliani said. “Instead of putting them under investigation, they are coming after me. They want to kill me.”

Doocy nervously interrupted, and asked when Giuliani would provide proof of his claims.

“Today at noon I will give an introduction,” he said. “Starting next week I will present witnesses, I have them all on tape. We will reveal one at a time, we will show there were two bribes. Not one, actually three.”

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We knew Trump was a narcissist and a psychopath, but we haven't been paying enough attention to Giuliani's mentally unhinged state. They are made for each other, that's for sure.

 

[piezoe]

he [Trump] has told us he was also (or was) concerned about corruption

I just noticed this now. Well that's it then he says his motives were pure. He's innocent! How could we have been so wrong?

 

[UsualName]

Prove it.

Prove what, that facts are omitted such as the IMF threatening to pull their loans unless Shokin was removed?

Just show me where you got this timeline from, I’m interested in the date you claim Shokin started an investigation into Burisma.

Are you ashamed of your information source?