Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
The Confederate flag was the banner of those states who willingly fought against the government of the United States, fought to dissolve the Union...not with words, but with guns, killing United States soldiers.
Theirs was an act of treason against the United States of America, in some sense much worse than the owning of slaves. Their attack was on the very fiber of the Union and our republic, not simply an attempt to defend economic benefits of slavery.
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Quote from LT701:
we are on the one hand continously compelled to praise our freedoms of speech and expression
and on the other hand continously required to conform to the strictest conformity of expression and opinion
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
The Confederate flag was the banner of those states who willingly fought against the government of the United States, fought to dissolve the Union...not with words, but with guns, killing United States soldiers.
Theirs was an act of treason against the United States of America, in some sense much worse than the owning of slaves. Their attack was on the very fiber of the Union and our republic, not simply an attempt to defend economic benefits of slavery....
Quote from LT701:
as i understand it, the union was formed voluntarily, with states reserving the right of succession
the civil war was the result of washington breaching that contract
Quote from ratboy88:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
Quote from ratboy88:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.....
Quote from Rearden Metal:
Don't worry, I'm sure ZZZenu will be a gentleman about this; admitting his error and sincerely thanking both of you for correcting him.
After that, he'll pop over to the trading section of this site in order to assist a few perplexed newbies by providing helpful answers to all of their questions. Then he'll perform a few good deeds for strangers as a random act of kindness, have sex with an adult female human, NOT get drunk, and call it a night.
Any second now...