Stu which church and which dogma said the world was flat

Quote from ARogueTrader:

No, gravity is a field in which bodies of mass interact.

They call it the "gravitational field."

Bodies do not create the gravity within the gravitational field.

The field causes the attraction, not the bodies of mass.

"A gravitational field is the force field created around massive bodies that causes attraction of other massive bodies."

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/GravitationalField.html

The field is created around bodies, the bodies themselves don't create the field. Gravity does not emanate from mass, it is separate.

Of course, some people don't accept field theory as a deeper reality than Newton's theories.
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This whole side discussion is ridiculous and pointless like all your discussions. "Now" you demand precision after months of your vagary and BS..

gravity is distortion in space time, the larger the mass the greater the distortion the greater the magnitude of gravity (all other things equal)

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BFD, what's your point?? Do you even have a point, i sincerely doubt it you havent had a point for months, if ever.
 
ART:
>Apparently some people don't know the
>difference between mass and gravitation
>fields

Me:
>And you apparently have a reading
>comprehension problem.

ART:
>Ad hominem.

Not in the least...your reading comprehension problem is the apparent reason for your flawed conclusion.

There is no evidence to support your above claim yet you attach others posts to it as proof. Since the attached posts don't say or infer anything of the sort you must be reading them wrong.

JB
 

science lesson for TM: TM, do you think a baseball has gravity? [/B]
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I don't know....prove it to me....Throw a baseball on earth, throw one on the moon, and throw one into space.....will the results be the same? Obviously not...In fact the ball thrown into space without any sort of gravitational influence will continue travelling at the same speed until it hits something......so, how can you prove a baseball has gravity of its own? I just love your deep understanding of the universe....im just curious, how many times have you been out there? you believe the sun is a large star in our solar system like most of us do......but have you ever been there? sampled pieces of it? of course not but you accept what some guy and a telescope theorizes as fact...your more of a faithful person then you think.
 
GG apparently didn't know the difference between mass and a gravitational field as he claimed a baseball had gravity. He was wrong. A baseball doesn't have gravity, it has mass.

My reading comprehension skills are irrelevant to logical truth or falsity fo this disucssion, as such your bringing them into the discussion are commentary on the speaker, not on what is spoken, and are ad hominem.

Quote from Turok:

ART:
>Apparently some people don't know the
>difference between mass and gravitation
>fields

Me:
>And you apparently have a reading
>comprehension problem.

ART:
>Ad hominem.

Not in the least...your reading comprehension problem is the apparent reason for your flawed conclusion.

There is no evidence to support your above claim yet you attach others posts to it as proof. Since the attached posts don't say or infer anything of the sort you must be reading them wrong.

JB
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I see a "science" worshiper doesn't even know their own science, that is one point.

Some who worship "science" yet don't even know about current theories of science, yet they embrace it with the same full faith as a theist embraces God.

That is the primary point.

gravity - (physics) the force of attraction between all masses in the universe; especially the attraction of the earth's mass for bodies near its surface; "the more remote the body the less the gravity"; "the gravitation between two bodies is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"; "gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love"--Albert Einstein

This play and interaction of bodies take place on the gravitational field which exists independently of the bodies.

Your photo shows a sphere being cradled by a gravitational field, not a ball causing gravity.

The ball is not the source of the gravity, nor the cause of gravity.

Scientists at one time thought the atom was solid. Then they went deeper and found out it was not, believing in a few particles creating the atom.

Then they went deeper and found even more particles.

Now many theorize that particles are nothing but a wave motion of a quantum mechanical field.

Science has repeatedly shown itself to be very incomplete and doesn't not provide all the answers to the mysteries of human life.

Even if we were to reach the most basic building blocks of the physical world, we would still not know why those building blocks exist in the first place.

Science simply cannot answer the question of why we are here and what is our purpose in life.


Quote from LongShot:

This whole side discussion is ridiculous and pointless like all your discussions. "Now" you demand precision after months of your vagary and BS..

gravity is distortion in space time, the larger the mass the greater the distortion the greater the magnitude of gravity (all other things equal)

embeding.gif


BFD, what's your point?? Do you even have a point, i sincerely doubt it you havent had a point for months, if ever.
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TM:
>Throw a baseball on earth, throw one on
>the moon, and throw one into space.....will
>the results be the same? Obviously not.

Are you presenting this as evidence that a baseball isn't accompanied by a gravitational field? If so, right or wrong you have connectivity issues.

>In fact the ball thrown into space without
>any sort of gravitational influence will continue
>travelling at the same speed until it hits
>something.

Now we are getting to some REAL hearty ignorance. Please find me a place in space "without any sort of gravitational influence". This is the common misconception people who don't study have of the 'weightlessness' in space -- that there is no gravitational influences as work.

You guys are a hoot.

JB

PS: and the ball thrown is space WILL NOT travel at the same speed until it hits something, but rather will vary it's speed dependent on the gravitational forces it encounters. Space travelers (mechanical and human) use these forces in slingshot maneuvers to alter speed and trajectories.
 
ART:
>GG apparently didn't know the difference between
>mass and a gravitational field as he claimed a baseball
>had gravity. He was wrong. A baseball doesn't have
>gravity, it has mass.

GGs claim that a baseball "has gravity" in no way infers confusion of mass and gravity. You continually act as though the two are mutually exclusive which we all know they are not. There are plenty of objects around that have mass and are accompanied *consistently* by a gravitational field/force.

JB
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

I see a "science" worshiper doesn't even know their own science, that is one point.

Some who worship "science" yet don't even know about current theories of science, yet they embrace it with the same full faith as a theist embraces God.

That is the primary point.

gravity - (physics) the force of attraction between all masses in the universe; especially the attraction of the earth's mass for bodies near its surface; "the more remote the body the less the gravity"; "the gravitation between two bodies is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"; "gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love"--Albert Einstein

This play and interaction of bodies take place on the gravitational field which exists independently of the bodies.

Your photo shows a sphere being cradled by a gravitational field, not a ball causing gravity.

The ball is not the source of the gravity, nor the cause of gravity.

Scientists at one time thought the atom was solid. Then they went deeper and found out it was not, believing in a few particles creating the atom.

Then they went deeper and found even more particles.

Now many theorize that particles are nothing but a wave motion of a quantum mechanical field.

Science has repeatedly shown itself to be very incomplete and doesn't not provide all the answers to the mysteries of human life.

Even if we were to reach the most basic building blocks of the physical world, we would still not know why those building blocks exist in the first place.

Science simply cannot answer the question of why we are here and what is our purpose in life.
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in very general terms warping of the curvature of spacetime by matter produces gravity.

to continue this is pointless.

bye.
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

GG apparently didn't know the difference between mass and a gravitational field as he claimed a baseball had gravity. He was wrong. A baseball doesn't have gravity, it has mass.

My reading comprehension skills are irrelevant to logical truth or falsity fo this disucssion, as such your bringing them into the discussion are commentary on the speaker, not on what is spoken, and are ad hominem.
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for last time get this thru your thick skull,

a baseball, people (anything with mass) "has" gravity, ie creates gravity.

so speaking in general way as we are here it is not incorrect to say a baseball has gravity. It does.

ANYTHING with mass HAS gravitational field.
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LS:
>for last time get this thru your thick skull,

>a baseball, people (anything with mass) "has"
>gravity, ie creates gravity.

This is where you and I will part. The cause of gravity is still not fully understood so I am not willing to use the term "creates gravity". I am very willing to use the term "has gravity" or "is accompanied by a gravitational force".

JB
 
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