Stu which church and which dogma said the world was flat
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>How could you use the scientific method to observe
>something that sets the bar for all that is observable?
>Do you understand what I am asking?
Clearly before venturing further in this conversation, a definition of your god would be in order. I cannot hope to engage in any sort of intelligent conversation without this. My apologies for not realizing this sooner...I like others on all sides make assumptions when words like "god" and "atheist" are used. I'll wait for a definition of your god before making any judgements regarding him/her/it.
>If I define god as the "set of processes from which
>we exist," will you still deny god's existence?
First, you won't find a post I have ever made that denies god's existence. I consistently claim to NOT KNOW but do lean towards "doesn't exist" for lack of evidence (and again I'm referring to the traditionally publicized Judeo-christian god). I'm not jumping on you for this assumption as I am usually arguing on the "doesn't exist" side -- but I do want to again make my position clear to you.
Beyond that, no one in their right mind can deny god based on your definition. IF that is your definition and it goes no further than that, it is a very un-traditional definition and so broad as to be completely uninteresting to me.
Also, if that is your definition, I find no reason whatsoever to preclude the scientific method of discovery as a valid method of research into this "god". Contrary to your comments at the top of this post, the scientific method of discovery can apply to any subset or superset of information. There is nothing inherent in the method that limits it.
JB
>something that sets the bar for all that is observable?
>Do you understand what I am asking?
Clearly before venturing further in this conversation, a definition of your god would be in order. I cannot hope to engage in any sort of intelligent conversation without this. My apologies for not realizing this sooner...I like others on all sides make assumptions when words like "god" and "atheist" are used. I'll wait for a definition of your god before making any judgements regarding him/her/it.
>If I define god as the "set of processes from which
>we exist," will you still deny god's existence?
First, you won't find a post I have ever made that denies god's existence. I consistently claim to NOT KNOW but do lean towards "doesn't exist" for lack of evidence (and again I'm referring to the traditionally publicized Judeo-christian god). I'm not jumping on you for this assumption as I am usually arguing on the "doesn't exist" side -- but I do want to again make my position clear to you.
Beyond that, no one in their right mind can deny god based on your definition. IF that is your definition and it goes no further than that, it is a very un-traditional definition and so broad as to be completely uninteresting to me.
Also, if that is your definition, I find no reason whatsoever to preclude the scientific method of discovery as a valid method of research into this "god". Contrary to your comments at the top of this post, the scientific method of discovery can apply to any subset or superset of information. There is nothing inherent in the method that limits it.
JB
it is the height of arrogance and foolishness to even entertain such a notion at this point in time..
i mean,
a perfect all-knowing all-powerful being.
lol, its what chilhood fantasies are made of,
schizo childhood fanatasies that is.
HOWEVER,
if you must,
if you wanna play Grand Fantasy,,
begin by DEFINING THIS GOD!!!
what are its properties??
give me ONE property!
ONE!!!
just ONEEEEEEE!!
lets begin there if we are to waste out time lets begin right here.
ONE FREAKING PROPERTY!
thats all in ask for now.
One definitive quality that we can analyze.
just ONE!
:-/
You don't know fact from fiction without "testing" it?
A "property" that we can analyze?
Analyze according to "your" criteria?
Why should the analysis of God fit "your" criteria of analyze?
Everyone who has faith in God says that God is not material, beyond the senses, and beyond the intellect.
Try analyzing God with faith, that is the correct tool for the job of analyzing God.
Analyze according to "your" criteria?
Why should the analysis of God fit "your" criteria of analyze?
Everyone who has faith in God says that God is not material, beyond the senses, and beyond the intellect.
Try analyzing God with faith, that is the correct tool for the job of analyzing God.