Stu which church and which dogma said the world was flat

[ARogueTrader]

No, fact is also derived from the reports of personal experiences, not necessarily testing them in a scientific manner.

A fact is something know to be true, and many things in life are known to be true without scientific testing.

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thats right,

thats how a fact becomes a fact.

 

[LongShot]

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A "property" that we can analyze?

Analyze according to "your" criteria?

Why should the analysis of God fit "your" criteria of analyze?

Everyone who has faith in God says that God is not material, beyond the senses, and beyond the intellect.

Try analyzing God with faith, that is the correct tool for the job of analyzing God.

we are humans, we must use "earthly" criteria.

we have nothing else,

even YOU must use this or you can say nothing about it.

 

[LongShot]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

No, fact is also derived from the reports of personal experiences, not necessarily testing them in a scientific manner.

A fact is something know to be true, and many things in life are known to be true without scientific testing.

have you ever heard of cognitive errors?? how easy it is to fool oneself? you are prone to much error if you don't filter your experience thru some objective template to separate the noise from the signal.

we used to burn "witches" at the stake on the [lack]of criteria you propose.

you dont wish to go back to that do you?

 

[Turok]

LS:
>One definitive quality that we can analyze.

>just ONE!

Aphex:
>Omnipotence

Ok, you presented it for analyzation. Can you support it?

JB

 

[ARogueTrader]

We have nothing but "earthly" criteria.

By what "measurement" do you determine if something is funny?

How do you "measure" the beauty of a sunset?

How do you "measure" the value of friendship?

Earthly includes the whole human being, not just senses and intellect.

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we are humans, we must use "earthly" criteria.

we have nothing else,

even YOU must use this or you can say nothing about it.

 

[ARogueTrader]

Can you imagine absolute impotence?

If you can, think of the absolute opposite value of that.

Quote from Turok:

LS:
>One definitive quality that we can analyze.

>just ONE!

Aphex:
>Omnipotence

Ok, you presented it for analyzation. Can you support it?

JB

 

[ARogueTrader]

You filter humor, love, art, music, etc. through "objective" templates?

How do you know your templates are calibrated properly?

Oh, ya, you rely on the objectively untested intellect, objectively untested senses, and objectively untested logic to form your templates.

Just because something works in a closed system doesn't mean it is true in an open system.

Verrrrrry scientific.

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have you ever heard of cognitive errors?? how easy it is to fool oneself? you are prone to much error if you don't filter your experience thru some objective template to separate the noise from the signal.

we used to burn "witches" at the stake on the [lack]of criteria you propose.

you dont wish to go back to that do you?

 

[Turok]

ART:
>Can you imagine absolute impotence?

>If you can, think of the absolute opposite
>value of that.

Was someone asking for a definition or how to imagine omnipitence ART? I don't thing so.

I was asking Aphex if we wished to support the assertion that god has it, that's all. Pay attention.

JB

 

[LongShot]

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Can you imagine absolute impotence?

If you can, think of the absolute opposite value of that.

cant you theists/vitalists whatever hell what or who you are,

dont you know how UNimaginative an omnipotent being is??

cant you do better than this?

unlimited powerful being is soooo boring.

so unimaginative.

give the damn thing some color, some personality for gods sake.



unlimited power. unlimited intelligence. perfection.

BORRRRRING!

and it doesnt leave much to talk about.

"duh my being can do anything duh!"

big deal, you'd never make it as a sci fi novelist/

on my worst days i can concoct superheroes with much more character and flair!

GOD theists are so dull.

 

[ARogueTrader]

It is not that hard to imagine if you have the ability to imagine absolute powerlessness, and if you have the ability to imagine being in one place at one time.

Imagine lacking the ability to generate any potency, fully and absolutely impotent, fully powerless.

Then imagine existing at a particular time and a particular space in this condition.

This is the human condition, powerless and bound by space in time.

Then imagine God is the complete opposite of that, i.e. existing at all times and all spaces with absolute potency, absolute power.

God by definition is Absolutely Powerful, Absolutely Potent, and exists at all possible times in all possible places.

You can imagine that if your imagination works properly.

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ART:
>Can you imagine absolute impotence?

>If you can, think of the absolute opposite
>value of that.

Was someone asking for a definition or how to imagine omnipitence ART? I don't thing so.

I was asking Aphex if we wished to support the assertion that god has it, that's all. Pay attention.

JB