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Mav:
>This is where I am laughing at your logic because
>you are making the assumption that all crack dealers
>are shot or will eventually be shot.

I make NO SUCH ASSUMPTION. In fact I disagree with YOUR assumption ... You can't produce a post where I make that assumption. Please try.

Mav:
>Your need to get high probably got one person
>killed, another shot, and another sent to
>prison. How do you like them apples?

The assumption is yours Mav and it's right there in writing.

The REALITY is (and it's clear that you agree with this) that person "A"s need to get high presents a VERY LOW chance of someone "getting killed, shot, or going to prison".

It's not about fish or hamburgers... THAT is my only point.

JB
 
Turok and Maverick are the most illogical atheists since the beginning of atheism. We should get a picture of them shaking each others hands. Each would have a befuddled face, one would have a bag of crack the other a fish bowl containing a goldfish.
 
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Mav:
>This is where I am laughing at your logic because
>you are making the assumption that all crack dealers
>are shot or will eventually be shot.

I make NO SUCH ASSUMPTION. In fact I disagree with YOUR assumption ... You can't produce a post where I make that assumption. Please try.

Mav:
>Your need to get high probably got one person
>killed, another shot, and another sent to
>prison. How do you like them apples?

The assumption is yours Mav and it's right there in writing.

The REALITY is (and it's clear that you agree with this) that person "A"s need to get high presents a VERY LOW chance of someone "getting killed, shot, or going to prison".

It's not about fish or hamburgers... THAT is my only point.

JB
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That is total BS. You totally missed the logic. Look, getting drugs from Columbia South America into your home in the bay area is not done by one or two or three people. Chances are, there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of people involved at every point along the way before that crack is sitting on your dinning room table. Somewhere along the line, yes, someone probably was shot, someone was killed and someone was arrested. This is very TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Deny it all you you want. But with hundreds of people involved, the probability of these things happening are huge! Now that doesn't mean all crack dealers, it just means along the food chain, you probably had at least ONE person shot, one person killed, one person arrested. Therefore, it is NOT a victimless crime. Do you understand now?
 
So, you believe there are more people involved in the drug trade than there are drug users?

JB

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That is total BS. You totally missed the logic. Look, getting drugs from Columbia South America into your home in the bay area is not done by one or two or three people. Chances are, there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of people involved at every point along the way before that crack is sitting on your dinning room table. Somewhere along the line, yes, someone probably was shot, someone was killed and someone was arrested. This is very TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Deny it all you you want. But with hundreds of people involved, the probability of these things happening are huge! Now that doesn't mean all crack dealers, it just means along the food chain, you probably had at least ONE person shot, one person killed, one person arrested. Therefore, it is NOT a victimless crime. Do you understand now?
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Turok and Maverick are the most illogical atheists since the beginning of atheism. We should get a picture of them shaking each others hands. Each would have a befuddled face, one would have a bag of crack the other a fish bowl containing a goldfish.
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LOL. I'm not an athiest and have never stated such. You are a hoot Row.

JB
 
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So, you believe there are more people involved in the drug trade than there are drug users?

JB
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F*ck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me. Dude, like 90% of the economy of Columbia is employed in the drug trade. All up all the growers, all the owners, the cheap labor that picks the crops, those that refine it, those that package it, those that move it, then ship it, then when it gets to the US, those that smuggle it in, then those that transport it throughout the country, then those that receive it in each city, then those that deal it to each county then those that deal it to each town then those that deal it to each person.

Then add up all the misc business involved in the drug trade i.e money laundering, the buying and selling or illegal arms to drug dealers, then add up all the people who enforce the drug trade from the dealer side, i.e protection, then add up all the other business that is created through the drug trade and benefits from the drug trade. Dude, you have to be kidding, it's huge. Hell, add up all the cops on the dealer's payrolls, the mayors, politicians. Dude, the list is never ending.
 
Ok Mav,

On average, how much would you guess that the average drug user spends per year on product? Remember, we are not talking about only the addict who steals to support the habit, but also the Silicon Valley programmer who lights a blunt or passes the pipe once or twice a year on a Sierra backpacking trip.

How much on average?

JB
 
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Turok let me walk you through this one more time. After GG wrote that buying a cheeseburger would cause some innocent animal to be killed. I then said I don't care what people eat, or what they smoke or if they shoot up through their toes. GG then came back and said, yeah, but buying drugs is a self crime i.e victimless crime where no one is getting hurt except the buyer. I then came back and said this is not true. There are many many people who are risking jail, risking getting shot or killed just for that person to get their crack. Clearly not a victimless crime.

I then added the analogy of a fish getting caught in the ocean minutes before a shark killed it asking GG what difference does it make if I catch the fish or if the shark eats the fish, its only a matter of time or in my example I used, minutes. Then, you Turok the moron jumps in and says well what difference does it make if the crack dealer sells crack to customer A or not. If customer A doesn't buy crack, tomorrow customer B will and he will shoot him.

This is where I am laughing at your logic because you are making the assumption that all crack dealers are shot or will eventually be shot. This is not true and therefore your argument is invalid. I can prove to you that most fish are eaten in the ocean. Fish do not die of natural causes. Comparing fish to crack dealers as having the same mortality rate is absurd! Your augment has no legs to stand on. Sorry.
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it is time for Mav to get knocked out.

just about everything has consequences and it is too complex to know what they all are. a butterfly flapping its wings in china could help cause a hurricane in florida.

hypothetically, it is possible i could buy weed from my friend who grows it for himself and only me. no one dies from this.

when you eat a steak, YOU KNOW AN ANIMAL HAD TO DIE FOR YOU.

these 2 situations are not even remotely equal and you're posting all over the place like they are.
 
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Ok Mav,

On average, how much would you guess that the average drug user spends per year on product? Remember, we are not talking about only the addict who steals to support the habit, but also the Silicon Valley programmer who lights a blunt or passes the pipe once or twice a year on a Sierra backpacking trip.

How much on average?

JB
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I have no idea, you tell me.
 
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