Originally posted by traderfut2000
When you talk about a massacre of 5 person in munich and you forget the bloody genocide of Sabra and chatila with 15,000 person and you consider that Sharon is a man of peace ...
You never ever had a word of compassion for those people and you always hide behind I don't like Sharon but Israelis need a hard man.... Stop contradicting yourself
but you are too old and already too closed in your mind... and may be you also finance bloody settlers to take more land and to oppress more palestinians... you are scarry and disgusting...
First off, I can't forget the "15,000" deaths in Sabra an Chatila, because you bring it up ten times a day. Then you talk about the massacre of "only" 5 athletes in Munich. Well aside from the fact that you inflate the 3,500 deaths to 15,000, and deflate the athletes from 8 down to 5, well, this sort of tips me off how you will say anything to prove your point. exaggerate in both directions. Very effective. But one death is too many. I don't understand your need to keep score. That is your mentality I guess. To you, there is no difference between innocent casualties and combatants. But we have been through this too many times already.
I don't call Sharon a "man of peace"...where did I ever say that?
You called Arafat a great man and a pulitzer prize winner. So obviously when he is responsible for murder, it is ok. Because he is just a likeable and reasonable man. A man with a billion dollars in the bank (but still can't afford razor blades). I recently read a column Arafat wrote in the NY Times. Well it was so obviously ghost written, what is the purpose of him even pretending to stay in power? He can't express his own thoughts, no one listens to him, and he refuses peace. He has no control over the Palestinian terrorists. So what is his function? To just be a representative embarrassment for all Palestinians? The progressive and moderate Palestinians themselves think he is an old joke.
You say I never have a word of compassion for the Palestinians. You are wrong. I know Palestinians...perhaps more than you do. The ones I know are Israeli citizens. They have their grievances, but they also admit that they are far better off than their counterparts that are not citizens. They have rights and social justice. Yes, they should have more, but the fact is they live in a Theocracy, so they just put up with what is not the best possible circumstances and appreciate the fact that they have it better than most. And the truth is that the palestinians in the west bank and gaza would be infinitely better off with their own country, as Israel has agreed to. But your GQ poster boy, Arafat, said no...let's fight some more. We need that extra 1% we couldn't get. A total farce and a way of avoiding peace at any cost.
You say I am 'too old"...I don't know what the hell that means. I am young enough to have a family and children to worry about. I worry when they get on a school bus in Israel if they will get off in one piece. I am old enough to remember the cowardice of the aggressors in the arab - israeli conflict of 67 and 73. Too young to remember the others. But I can know the history without personal recollection.
You say I finance bloody settlers? Let me tell you something my friend. The money that I send or bring to Israel is used for building day care centers that cater to both jewish and palestinian kids. Imagine that!!!! Me giving money that provides for palestinians. So keep on making assumptions about me. You think you know anything at all about me?
You use the word "brainwashed" in almost every post. But you just parrot the words of those you agree with. You live in a black and white world. You think you are for peace. You say you are tolerant. But it is quite apparent that you are full of anger and hatred.
Hitler was a German. Do I hold all germans responsible for the holocaust? No. Sharon is a ruthless man. Yet you hold all Israelis responsible for his actions. Arafat is a terrorist and a murderer, but that is fine with you.
Me, I prefer to use information before I make an opinion. So yes, I have problems with Sharon. But what would you suggest...should I go into Israel and shoot him to make you happy? Arm wrestle him and winner gets to choose who stays and who goes? Hey, I have a problem with GW Bush being president here. But there is nothing I can do about that either. The US is still a great country despite it's current leadership. Israel is a country in turmoil but at least an oasis of freedom and democracy in the middle of a sea of nations with no liberties and no rights for the oppressed. And in the US and in Israel, the people can and do vote to change leadership.
And Arafat? No arm wrestling with him. I know when a foul odor will be too overpowering to let me even try to flex an arm muscle. He makes a conscious effort to even look like he thinks....dirty and uncaring. He is a disgusting man. And what is more, Sharon will serve his time until he is voted out. Bush too. But Arafat? You say I am old, but not old enough to know who was in charge before this miserable excuse for a leader. A leader that has achieved nothing for his people. Nothing!!!! And all he had to do was just say yes! But peace would make him irrelevant. Of course he has been irrelevant for a long time, but he just doesn't know it. He has, however, managed on so many occasions to humiliate himself, and as a result, the perception world wide of his Palestinian followers. How many places did he run from? How many times has he been hiding in some dusty basement, huddling in cowardice. Just like Nasser was when they found him. But at least Nasser had the good sense to let go. Time for arafat to do he same!
So now you know. Unlike you, I judge people as individuals. Not by their religion, their race, or their nationality. And yes, I have actually made donations to help the children and their parents in those day care centers in Israel. And a lot of them are palestinians. Palestinians that are welcome in the schools and in the society. Unlike how it would ever be for a Jew in a palestinian school.
And Dotslash may be right. I hate war, and I think every possible alternative must be explored to avert war. But when I hear a man like you explain how things are in your view of the world, it scares me that maybe war is not avoidable. You tell us you are for peace, but your words and anger and name calling make it perfectly clear what you are really about.
Why stay in France? Why not go fight for the causes you believe in. Why not make yourself feel good and help spill some blood in the middle east. Or are you just an "armchair warrior"? Speak loudly and give a big stick to a guy like Saddam, or Arafat. Or Khadafi, or Osama, or any of your other worthy heroes?
And let them hand that stick (and stones) to "brainwashed" little untrained and unprepared soldiers so they can die as martyrs trying to fight sophisticated opponents, who actually train and study warfare. Opponents that are not sent off unprepared by leaders who have no concern for the welfare of their "soldiers". But the Arafats and Sadams think the more "soldiers" that die on their side, the more world opinion will sway in their favor. So they sacrifice the lives of these children for their political gain. While they themselves hide in their bunkers like the cowards they are. Sharon is an antagonistic bully. But at least he led his own troops. He marched at the front of the line through Jerusalem which started off the new infatadah. When was Arafat ever in harms way by choice? Never. He runs, they find him, and they still don't kill him. Because he is a "noncombatant", and that is not what the Israeli army does. (unlike the terrorist of Hamas who seek out civilian targets).
Get a clue!!!
