Originally posted by MondoTrader
sorry libs, but your leadership has abandoned you. Don't be like the japs hiding out in the caves after WWII was over. Come on out, admit reality. Sadam has got to go and the sooner the better.
now, mondo, looks like you've been practising maxies methods for too long:
of course the point is about iraq. we cannot afford a pointless war as we have much more pressing problems at home, nor is there indeed any reason to start such a war.
as far as ideology goes, oh dear, that is such a cheap game, trying to instrumentalize that for lack of arguments, just like bush hasn't been able to come up with a single good argument up to this day for another equally stupid war like vietnam.
to a large extent ideology is being instrumentalized like games played by children in kindergarten, mere name calling for the sake of hoping to undermine credibility through compartmentalizing.
not that i think that too many voters are still falling for such cheap games anymore, these games are rather net contributors to the ever decreasing faith many people have in their politicians nowadays as evinced by numerous studies.
as for congress, oh well, congress has always approved every dumb war this country has engaged in, there was never any reason to suspect that they wouldn't do so this time.
Almost 40 years ago, Congress kowtowed to another president from Texas and approved the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution â based on the repeated lies of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that Red patrol boats had attacked U.S. warships on a supposedly routine mission off North Vietnam, which the senior admiral in the Pacific had predicted months before would provoke exactly this type of response and result in an escalation of the Vietnam War. Only Sens. Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska stood tall and voted "nay." When Morse chillingly predicted we'd lose the war and LBJ would go down in flames, most members of Congress responded that they were patriotically backing the president in a time of crisis.
They should also match what the ordinary folks who elected them are saying against the national polls' war chantey, "Let's Push With Bush Into Baghdad." Last week, I visited four states, and all of the hundreds of average Joes and Janes I spoke with were for U.N. inspectors returning and our tightening the choke leash on Iraq enough that nothing gets in or out without going through a U.S.-manned checkpoint.
A Vietnam combat Marine told me: "Certainly Saddam is a tyrant and a threat to his neighbors. But so are the leaders of Syria, Iran, North Korea and, for that matter, Pakistan. All of our comrades who died in Vietnam and those of us who vowed 'never again' will now again watch another generation march off to war without the approval of the American people."
"Who'll pay for it?" asks another citizen. "We all know it'll be our kids. They're the ones who will pay, as it has been since the Revolutionary War. Those who reap the rewards are of a different category."
"Steel My Soldiers' Hearts" is here! One of America's most decorated soldiers, Col. David Hackworth, writes about the hopeless to hardcore transformation of the 4/39th Infantry Battalion and lays bare his most daring and legendary tour of duty.
Col. David H. Hackworth, author of his new best-selling "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts," "Price of Honor" and "About Face," has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of World War II to the recent fights against international terrorism.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29035
so, congress simply did what it's done so often, not, of course, that that should mislead anyone into thinking that there is any reason for this war, which of course there isn't, as the rest of the world sees very clearly, leaving us to pay the bill with money we do not have.
now, i'm sure that poor colonel david hackworth, one of america's most decorated soldiers, who has seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier and military correspondent in nearly a dozen wars and conflicts â from the end of world war II to the recent fights against international terrorism, will be the subject of derogatory activities, as of course a voice of reason cannot be allowed to stand tall without an attempt at undermining his credibility through some name calling or equally clever games, hehe.
The threat from Iraq is exaggerated. Other despotic countries have or are seeking weapons of mass destruction (Syria, Libya, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia), have invaded their neighbors (Syria, Libya, and North Korea), and even used chemical weapons (Libya in Chad during the 1980s). Moreover, Iraq's military has been devastated by the Gulf War and a decade of sanctions. Americans should ask why the United States -- half a world away -- is more concerned about the Iraqi threat than are Iraq's neighbors.
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-19-02.html
brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior:
Don't Attack Saddam
It would undermine our antiterror efforts
http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110002133