Stop paying credit cards. Give yourself a bailout!!

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You're applying morals to what is a business & industry that has none whatsoever. You're just making yourself a sucker approach it that way. On the street, you're a mark.




You can either teach them about the real world or you can teach them about the fairy tale world that the establishment tries to bash into your head.

It's one thing to try to make things better, but that requires realizing the truth. Following the status quo is not going to get you anywhere while already wealthy execs are being handed billions of your taxpayer money after being "irresponsible" (for lack of a better words).
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Anaconda,

You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one… I will not teach my kids, or adopt the stance that just because others are doing it – makes it right.

And I will not force my beliefs on anyone here – but common sense should dictate right from wrong – just like in trading common sense tells you – you are either making money or losing money.


I really don’t care if every other human being on the planet agrees with you – If I or my family incurs a bill in good faith – We will pay that bill every time


It would be too easy to adopt the “well look what so and so is doing/ getting – I should be doing/ getting the same” stance – and become a victim…

It will never happen – I will do my dead level best to always do the right thing, and teach my family the same – no matter if it means going without.

And they will learn to earn every damn thing they get in life.


More than once they have heard me say “Life is not fair – deal with it” – THAT IS REAL WORLD – they understand this and will do just fine in life I have no doubt


Businesses and industries are run by people – its they who are at fault, and should he held accountable – just as all here who’ve bragged about not paying their bills should be held accountable

I refuse to be part of the financial ineptness of others, be made a victim by others, or back off my beliefs one bit. Nor will I give those who do – a free pass



Take Care Sir
Redneck
 
Quote from ElCubano:

while he's at it, he can teach his kids to not pay taxes ( many wealthy avoid them ), not to pay child support ( many people don't pay it ), not to pay back shcool loans ( many a doctors don't pay them back )....the point is you don't teach based on what other scumbags do...Hell everything can be a business decision...paying child support or paying my bills is a business descsion....peace

Redneck, you sir just lay down a strong foundation and then hope there is a continuation of them building blocks...
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Thank You Sir:)
 
Jails and prisons are filled with losers who think the same way. Your bad decisions and hard luck don't "entitle" you to "set aside" anything... that's just a lame excuse for an easy out through crime. In normal times that "entitles" you to prison. During anarchy it "entitles" you to get shot.
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Sometimes we must trespass to find shelter, steal to eat, and kill to live; sometimes we are entitled or even obligated to set aside the niceties of civilization to survive and/or insure the survival of our loved ones.
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Sometimes we must... kill to live;
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I sure hope you are not referring to kill the innocent, rather only if someone was trying to kill you? Please clarify your point.
 
Quote from Redneck trader:

Anaconda,

You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one… I will not teach my kids, or adopt the stance that just because others are doing it – makes it right.

And I will not force my beliefs on anyone here – but common sense should dictate right from wrong – just like in trading common sense tells you – you are either making money or losing money.


I really don’t care if every other human being on the planet agrees with you – If I or my family incurs a bill in good faith – We will pay that bill every time


It would be too easy to adopt the “well look what so and so is doing/ getting – I should be doing/ getting the same” stance – and become a victim…

It will never happen – I will do my dead level best to always do the right thing, and teach my family the same – no matter if it means going without.

And they will learn to earn every damn thing they get in life.


More than once they have heard me say “Life is not fair – deal with it” – THAT IS REAL WORLD – they understand this and will do just fine in life I have no doubt


Businesses and industries are run by people – its they who are at fault, and should he held accountable – just as all here who’ve bragged about not paying their bills should be held accountable

I refuse to be part of the financial ineptness of others, be made a victim by others, or back off my beliefs one bit. Nor will I give those who do – a free pass


Red,i agree with everything you say.Honestly i think that is the right way to go-those are good values to have. I don't have kids but i know that when you do,your outlook on life changes. I have been accused of supporting spanish in his theft on a loan. That was revealed after my post i think,but in any case i was referring to the fact that he is living on his wits cos he is young and in our youth we have all done questionable things. Most people would never attempt to make a living from a 1k stake and that is what i admire-his attempt to do the impossible. Without guys whose brains are wired that way,man would never have built and flown planes let alone got into space. I guess what i'm saying is do we want to live in a perfect world like robots? -there would be no place for pacino or rock 'n roll .T666 scares me more than the mafia. In 18th century England small kids were imprisoned for stealing so much as an apple (because they were starving) the jury was full of t666's- because in his world there are no shades of grey.
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Quote from Redneck trader:

Red,i agree with everything you say.Honestly i think that is the right way to go-those are good values to have. I don't have kids but i know that when you do,your outlook on life changes. I have been accused of supporting spanish in his theft on a loan. That was revealed after my post i think,but in any case i was referring to the fact that he is living on his wits cos he is young and in our youth we have all done questionable things. Most people would never attempt to make a living from a 1k stake and that is what i admire-his attempt to do the impossible. Without guys whose brains are wired that way,man would never have built and flown planes let alone got into space. I guess what i'm saying is do we want to live in a perfect world like robots? -there would be no place for pacino or rock 'n roll .T666 scares me more than the mafia. In 18th century England small kids were imprisoned for stealing so much as an apple (because they were starving) the jury was full of t666's- because in his world there are no shades of grey.
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Mitsubishi


I agree – I was, as probably were most, impetuous in our youth


My whole post was really about one thing – Understanding all actions have consequences, and accepting all the associated consequences – of your actions – 100% of the time

Granted – The consequences may be good, bad or a combination,

But when any individual takes an action, or not – That individual must accept 100% of any and all consequences associated with that action, or inaction.

Spend the money, pay the bill

Spanish on one hand claims to be a great trader (>100% returns), yet on the other hand he admittedly does not take accountability for his actions (specifically regarding finances)


That is a big inconsistency to me – and it does not work both ways


We all trade what is hard wired into out subconscious – no more so than when emotions (stress, fatigue, fear, greed, joy, whatever) are prevalent


His emotions are evident in every post he makes, he has also admitted to not being accountable for his actions (financially speaking).


Now counter this with

I incur a bill – I pay that bill

I trade and lose money – I lost the money not the market.

I do/ and always will – take 100% accountability for all of my actions.

My kids know – they make a decision and follow through or not – they have consciously made the decision to accept all consequences associated with their action – or inaction – 100% of the time – period




With respect to Trader 666

To be honest his views and mine are not all that different

I invite a person into my house – they are a friend and I will share all I have with them.. mi casa es su casa (translated my castle is your castle)

BUT a person enters my house, or takes my stuff uninvited – Well Sir you can fill in the rest

I neither solicit conflict, nor run from it

And believe me – without my kids my life would be more black and white as well… But on the other hand they have filled my life with color – and for that – I Thank the Lord everyday.

Take Care Sir
Redneck
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I sure hope you are not referring to kill the innocent, rather only if someone was trying to kill you? Please clarify your point.
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There is a point which when passed most of us would kill, although it will seem distant and extreme.

Also, few people are innocent. There are obviously quite a few thieves in this thread alone, and all most people need is the opportunity and excuse, and the more it occurs the more it will become the norm.
 
You've shown that you don't get the simple concept of right and wrong so it doesn't surprise me that you'd totally misrepresent your post in support of spanish89. Your post said NOTHING about admiring him for trading and was all about trying to justify bad behavior. Some excerpts:

I can understand why people want screw the bank... if the need arises in the future to screw the banks or anyone else for that matter,i won't hesitate and your opinion will be irrelevant.I see that as winning not losing geddit?
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2365930#post2365930

As for "shades of grey," your malfunction is misapplying that concept to justify what you feel you're entitled to.

Check out the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder and apply them to what you and others have posted here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
Diagnostic criteria

Three or more of the following are required:

1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.


Quote from mitsubishi:

I have been accused of supporting spanish in his theft on a loan. That was revealed after my post i think,but in any case i was referring to the fact that he is living on his wits cos he is young and in our youth we have all done questionable things. Most people would never attempt to make a living from a 1k stake and that is what i admire-his attempt to do the impossible. ...

...T666 scares me more than the mafia. In 18th century England small kids were imprisoned for stealing so much as an apple (because they were starving) the jury was full of t666's- because in his world there are no shades of grey.
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You've shown that you don't get the simple concept of right and wrong so it doesn't surprise me that you'd totally misrepresent your post in support of spanish89. Your post said NOTHING about admiring him for trading and was all about trying to justify bad behavior. Some excerpts:

I can understand why people want screw the bank... if the need arises in the future to screw the banks or anyone else for that matter,i won't hesitate and your opinion will be irrelevant.I see that as winning not losing geddit?
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2365930#post2365930

As for "shades of grey," your malfunction is misapplying that concept to justify what you feel you're entitled to.

Check out the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder and apply them to what you and others have posted here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
Diagnostic criteria

Three or more of the following are required:

1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
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Quote from Trader666:

You've shown that you don't get the simple concept of right and wrong so it doesn't surprise me that you'd totally misrepresent your post in support of spanish89. Your post said NOTHING about admiring him for trading and was all about trying to justify bad behavior. Some excerpts:

I can understand why people want screw the bank... if the need arises in the future to screw the banks or anyone else for that matter,i won't hesitate and your opinion will be irrelevant.I see that as winning not losing geddit?
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2365930#post2365930

As for "shades of grey," your malfunction is misapplying that concept to justify what you feel you're entitled to.

Check out the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder and apply them to what you and others have posted here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
Diagnostic criteria

Three or more of the following are required:

1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
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Trader666 God bless people who have the good values you convey. I'm glad there are a few good & normal people around the world. Some of the people on this thread are just like animals--except they also harnass the power of their intellect to become bigger animals. I sure hope some of these people get themselves busted from this thread alone, aside from the issue of the danger such talks presents to society norms. I wish some more of the normal & good people would speak up as well.
 
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