SPX Credit Spread Trader

Quote from rdemyan:

Thanks Rally. I'll check out the links.

Since you trade options on futures, what's your take on this strategy? My thinking is that if I can go out 150 to 200 points and get a decent credit (and this may be a really big assumption), then this might be a very high probability strategy.

Not sure what strategy you are talking about. You mean naked FOTM calls vs FOTM credit spreads? No way you can go 150-200 points otm on the call side and get a better credit. Two pages ago i posted a screenshot of bear call spreads using the spx and es options. If you look at that you will see the puny credits. I still don't like selling call side premium into an increasing iv(if thats what we are getting into) but if you must go that route i'd stay CTM with ES options and swing the moves. Just my opinion.
 
Quote from LeonPhelps:

SPX 1252 Jul1225 straddle 53.1/56.1

I think your numbers are slightly off...with spx at 1252 the July(1225) calls are abt 41 and puts at 13... but with 17 on the vix the sell did make good money
 
Coach and everyone else,

Can anyone tell me why the deltas listed for the spx are different when you compare Optionsxpress ( pricer) with those listed in Think or Swim.

DAVE
 
Brokers many times use the mid-point, the average price or the last price to derive the deltas and this can lead to differences. Especially if they are not off by too much...
 
I believe, the deltas from Optionsxpress Option Pricer are based on a "Theo Value" (in red) given a single IV estimate for all strikes.

This can lead to a "Theo Value" that is somewhat far away from where the actual market is due to skew etc.

The further OTM strikes will have larger divergence.

MoMoney.

Quote from daved275:

Coach and everyone else,

Can anyone tell me why the deltas listed for the spx are different when you compare Optionsxpress ( pricer) with those listed in Think or Swim.

DAVE
 
Quote from optioncoach:


Thanks, Coach, for your response.

DAVE


Brokers many times use the mid-point, the average price or the last price to derive the deltas and this can lead to differences. Especially if they are not off by too much...
 
Quote from momoneythansens:
Mo,

Thanks for your response, too.

DAVE


I believe, the deltas from Optionsxpress Option Pricer are based on a "Theo Value" (in red) given a single IV estimate for all strikes.

This can lead to a "Theo Value" that is somewhat far away from where the actual market is due to skew etc.

The further OTM strikes will have larger divergence.

MoMoney.
 
YW. You might get a "better" delta when using the "Implied Volatility Chains" view as the deltas here are caculated from market prices.

These should match up slightly better with those from thinkorswim given the caveats already mentioned by Phil above.

MoMoney.

Quote from daved275:
Mo,

Thanks for your response, too.

DAVE
 
Quote from rdemyan:

I would only consider naked calls on futures options, if and only if, I can go considerably more OTM than I would on my normal SPX credit spreads for roughly equivalent premiums.

For the public record and knowledge:

ES ~ 1257, VIX ~ 17

JUL 1050P 0.95 bid 200 pts OTM
JUL 1150P 3.75 bid 100 pts OTM
JUL 1225P and C are both about 21 bid 22 ask ATM
JUL 1320C 0.85 bid 70 pts OTM
JUL 1360C 0.20 bid 100 pts OTM
 
Jeff:

Thanks for the info. I found your previous post intriguing, but it looks like there is a substantial skew in the pricing of puts versus calls. Integral to my strategy is that I avoid the black swan event to the best of my ability, which currently means no puts. I was a bit disappointed to see that naked call options on futures don't seem to have much value relative to puts. I knew that there would be a skew, but it was much more than I expected.

Quote from jeffm:

For the public record and knowledge:

ES ~ 1257, VIX ~ 17

JUL 1050P 0.95 bid 200 pts OTM
JUL 1150P 3.75 bid 100 pts OTM
JUL 1225P and C are both about 21 bid 22 ask ATM
JUL 1320C 0.85 bid 70 pts OTM
JUL 1360C 0.20 bid 100 pts OTM
 
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