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Anybody who shorts flat price two year notes for a directional play on interest rates would not have the intellectual capacity for any strategy beyond retail stupidity.

Big D is clearly not a trader in any sense of the term.
 
Quote from The Big D:

Now you've just gone off the deep end. What I said was that the evidence thus far points to him not being profitable. I've seen the following evidence:

- bone's less than savvy comments in the bond thread
- the shills promoting his service
- bone's unwillingness to provide proof of his claims despite it being in the best interest of his coaching business for him to do so

is that enough for me to be 100% certain he's lying? Of course not. But it's enough for me to be fairly confident - maybe 80%. Remember: if bone wants people to think he's actually profitable, all he has to do is provide some evidence.



That's my point too.


If he would post his returns for those 18 years and some risk/reward figures , I would be much more confident because if he was misrepresenting, lying about his performance , he would expose himself to mail fraud , now would he risk that ?

Look , would you be interested to listen to someone who is only marginally profitable ?

If I had a 18 year old impressive track record, I would post it right away...
 
Well, Peternam, with an 8% return track record you certainly have nowhere to go but up. Why are you on ET, exactly?
 
Quote from Peternam:

That's my point too.


If he would post his returns for those 18 years and some risk/reward figures , I would be much more confident because if he was misrepresenting, lying about his performance , he would expose himself to mail fraud , now would he risk that ?

I agree - it seems most likely that the reason he has refused to provide information (when the obvious con play is to provide doctored statements) is that it would expose him to fraud charges.

These threads are highly entertaining :D
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Yes that's true but that is your responsibility, not his. Or do you depend on others to make you profitable. If that's the case, good luck buddy, you'll need it. A lot of it!

I wouldnt pay somebody $6000 to teach me how to spread trade. Just like to scam options courses that teach you hpow to buy a call and sell a put for $1000.

I would pay $6000 it the strategy makes money.

How can you say you should be able to sell a non-profitable strategy for $6000, beats me.

It should be profitable, otherwise it doesn't even make sense!
 
Quote from bone:

Well, Peternam, with an 8% return track record you certainly have nowhere to go but up. Why are you on ET, exactly?


I disclosed my figures , where are yours ?

I am not the one calling myself a professor ( btw from which university ?) and selling a course.

Looking for someone who can do better than 8%/year , is it you ?

Most probably not !
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Can I ask a question here for all the guys that are attacking Bone and his service. Let me say to start out with, I think Bone is legit and is a profitable trader. But let's just say for argument's sake that he was not profitable. Or even that he was once and is no longer profitable. Would that really make any difference with the service he is offering? I mean Bone is not offering a spiritual transformation course here. He is offering knowledge, experience and customized software. I mean it would be like me asking the guys over at TT software to show me that they could make money trading using their TT execution software. Or asking e-signal to show me their profitable trading records before I subscribe to their charting service. Bone is providing a service.

If I have never traded calendar spreads in Crude Oil before and I wanted to learn how to trade them, are you saying Bone would not be of service to me? Are you saying his spreadsheets would not offer any value. That his experience over the years of trading them, whether profitable or not would not be a value add for me? Is this what you guys are really saying?

I mean I honestly don't get it. When I was in college, I paid a shitload of money to professors that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world to teach me various subjects. I'm sure most of you have. I never asked my university to show me the list of accolades they all have.

In fact most coaches, teachers, instructors have never really "made" it in their area of expertise. They simply have knowledge and experience that is of some value to those who don't know have the knowledge and experience.

Let's say Bone did show you 18 years of returns where he made 50 million a year. How would this benefit you? He still is not an alchemist. If you are a bad trader, there is nothing he can do to suddenly transform you into a trading superstar even if the guy has made 500 million. So seriously, what is your gripe guys?

I am a noob in trading but I do not agree with this. If I sign up for coaching, I expect to be coached by someone with a consistent profitable record, especially when Bone himself claims consistent profitability in his website. This is different from attending a university course or subscribing for esignal. If Bone say it upfront that he is just selling trading knowledge without talking about his own trading record, then fine, I have no qualms that he is in fact just selling a service and if others willingly pay him 6500 for the knowledge, then it is a case of willing buyer wiling seller.

BUT the prospective buyers here are looking for proof of his trading profitability. So, it is obvious they are not after the knowledge alone. They are after knowledge that can make them profitable and they want to learn from someone who can prove to them that there is a profitable record. So, Bone, as a seller, should comply with that request, especially when he is the one who claims profitability in the first place.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

... Let me say to start out with, I think Bone is legit and is a profitable trader. But let's just say for argument's sake that he was not profitable. Or even that he was once and is no longer profitable. Would that really make any difference with the service he is offering? I mean Bone is not offering a spiritual transformation course here. He is offering knowledge, experience and customized software. I mean it would be like me asking the guys over at TT software to show me that they could make money trading using their TT execution software. Or asking e-signal to show me their profitable trading records before I subscribe to their charting service. Bone is providing a service.

If I have never traded calendar spreads in Crude Oil before and I wanted to learn how to trade them, are you saying Bone would not be of service to me? Are you saying his spreadsheets would not offer any value. That his experience over the years of trading them, whether profitable or not would not be a value add for me? Is this what you guys are really saying?

I mean I honestly don't get it. When I was in college, I paid a shitload of money to professors that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world to teach me various subjects. I'm sure most of you have. I never asked my university to show me the list of accolades they all have.

In fact most coaches, teachers, instructors have never really "made" it in their area of expertise. They simply have knowledge and experience that is of some value to those who don't know have the knowledge and experience.

Let's say Bone did show you 18 years of returns where he made 50 million a year. How would this benefit you? He still is not an alchemist. If you are a bad trader, there is nothing he can do to suddenly transform you into a trading superstar even if the guy has made 500 million. So seriously, what is your gripe guys?

I would like to comment on elements in your post:

1. I am stunned by some of the statements. Professors have earned their doctoral degrees, are not self-appointed, are peer reviewed, and are among the best of what the educational system can produce according to the metrics of the educational system! When one takes a class, one at least knows he is learning from the best of the best. Let us try to remember some of the geeks one had in their classes. They may not all have made money, but do one realizes that they were beating others in those exams that the whole class took on the same topic which were taught by the same professor in the same class room at the same time? People may say so what? The point is that they beat their competition under equal conditions. If some did not make money later in their life, it may be due to lack of skill in money making, but also because they were not in money making enterprises. A professor cannot become rich due in part to the nature of his profession.

2. If someone were to tell you that some of his students have become alchemists, do you think there is a message in there? If yes what is that message? To be accurate one should report what happens to all the students.

3. If you sell a software, while the software may not make make you rich, the software still has to perform the tasks it represents it does, it should described them accurately, and it should come with a warranty. Note that if one were to talk about the software's feature, this would not be a replacement of what the software represents it does.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

So let me get this straight. You say he has not proven his profitability. Yet you come on this thread and imply that he "has" proven he is unprofitable as you clearly are making the accusation. Which by the way is libelous unless you have proof. What are you basing your libelous claim on?

I wonder if you have thought to apply the content of your post above to the content of your post below, such as the first sentence in post below and the statement about professors accomplishments. Any comments?

Quote from Maverick74:

Can I ask a question here for all the guys that are attacking Bone and his service. Let me say to start out with, I think Bone is legit and is a profitable trader. But let's just say for argument's sake that he was not profitable. Or even that he was once and is no longer profitable. Would that really make any difference with the service he is offering? I mean Bone is not offering a spiritual transformation course here. He is offering knowledge, experience and customized software. I mean it would be like me asking the guys over at TT software to show me that they could make money trading using their TT execution software. Or asking e-signal to show me their profitable trading records before I subscribe to their charting service. Bone is providing a service.

If I have never traded calendar spreads in Crude Oil before and I wanted to learn how to trade them, are you saying Bone would not be of service to me? Are you saying his spreadsheets would not offer any value. That his experience over the years of trading them, whether profitable or not would not be a value add for me? Is this what you guys are really saying?

I mean I honestly don't get it. When I was in college, I paid a shitload of money to professors that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world to teach me various subjects. I'm sure most of you have. I never asked my university to show me the list of accolades they all have.

In fact most coaches, teachers, instructors have never really "made" it in their area of expertise. They simply have knowledge and experience that is of some value to those who don't know have the knowledge and experience.

Let's say Bone did show you 18 years of returns where he made 50 million a year. How would this benefit you? He still is not an alchemist. If you are a bad trader, there is nothing he can do to suddenly transform you into a trading superstar even if the guy has made 500 million. So seriously, what is your gripe guys?
 
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