Spread Trade Training

[Ye Olde Refco]

Of course not. He took off for 3 months in the middle of his six month contract term for his European vacation, and then wanted to start all over again. He's not going to get much out of the training if he chooses not to put in the time to meet with me or to put in the work.
In fact, here is an email excerpt from me to him:
"On April 02, 2012, you received a very large cache of proprietary files and studies and data from me via email - well over 100 individual files. You had a few meetings with me in April, you started to send me a few paper trades in early May as I encouraged and requested of you - and then you fall off the face of the earth. You quit sending me the paper trades for me to review. You no longer scheduled individual webinars with me. You no longer wanted to make an effort from what I can tell as I look through my Skype and email communiques. In September, I started inviting you to group meetings which you could not make, and the only way I can send you the recordings is via Skype which apparently you do not have the ability to download correctly. The rest of my clients can. Over 40 clients received that Skype file on October 25th. You cancelled the transmission from what I can tell.
And now you want 75% of the fee back. Today I made you the following offer: "If you would like for me to extend your contract for two months I would consider it gratis if you would make a real commitment and effort to participate. I would be happy to meet with you twice a week during US hours individually. But the contract is very clear in terms of refunds."
I think any reasonable and clear thinking individual would see that I have done everything reasonable and appropriate to accommodate you. I did not hear a peep out of you for three months. Three month European summer holidays don't void contracts. I didn't take a three month holiday - I was very busy working with clients and trading for myself."

I take my hat off to you @bone , for the first time in 3 days, you've posted CONTENT, I semi believe that this is a genuine email. But to your misfortune, it will only arouse in other readers why, after digging up a 2 year old email, you fail consistently to back up your claim at being a 'professor'.

A professor - "a university academic of the highest rank; the holder of a university chair." Obviously you are not a professor in the literal sense. But you are neither in the sense that you are skilled or an expert. You can not provide any detail to suggest otherwise. You provide very little CONTENT and most posts just revert back to "we this... and commercials that", your standard sales tactic that intimates some higher level of understanding.

Maybe Julien was a poor 'student' or maybe he was shocked at the lack of content you could provide. But you have unwittingly exposed yourself once again.

 

[bone]

If you hire a "mentor", an big part of "content" is active participation and interaction with the mentor. Same holds true of a university professor. If you don't bother going to class, and you don't bother with the homework and the studying - you are quite likely to have a poor outcome in terms of final exams. So do you blame the university and the professor ?

My more recent clients from the past 18 months or so will attest that it literally takes WEEKS to get through the initial content ( files and webinar recordings ) provided. And I am happy to send older clients this additional content gratis.

 

[bone]

@bone - Markets change as we all know. So fast forward to 2014, do you still have an edge??.... Did you ever have an edge? There is absolutely nothing that would indicate that you do.

I do not provide trolls free information on a public forum that other people paid me for under an IP confidentiality contract. You're right - markets change. That's why when I vet and approve of an experienced trader as a potential client, I provide to that prospect some former client contacts so that he may independently contact them and ask of them questions about the value of my services and their experiences and performance with the trading system and methodologies. How existing clients with a track record trading the system have performed is going to be the very best gauge for how another prospective client might do with it. Even the most subjective and critical clients over on BMT admit that they were pleased with the system's trading performance. Except for the Frenchman Julien, of course.

Your storyline seems to revolve around the notion that if Chip Kenyon provided you with his trading statements that you could trade like Chip Kenyon. Which is, of course, nonsensical.

 

[scr12]

Maybe it is me, but I don't understrand why some one pays $7.5k for someone to review paper trades and some generic advice of keeping journal?

They can always post at ET for free and get better answers.

 

[bone]

Maybe it is me, but I don't understrand why some one pays $7.5k for someone to review paper trades and some generic advice of keeping journal?

They can always post at ET for free and get better answers.

Maybe some intrepid existing client looking to be abused by a bevy of trolls will chime in that there's so much more to it than that.

And your notion that they can get quality answers for free on ET is highly questionable.

 

[Ye Olde Refco]

If you hire a "mentor", an big part of "content" is active participation and interaction with the mentor. Same holds true of a university professor. If you don't bother going to class, and you don't bother with the homework and the studying - you are quite likely to have a poor outcome in terms of final exams. So do you blame the university and the professor ?

My more recent clients from the past 18 months or so will attest that it literally takes WEEKS to get through the initial content ( files and webinar recordings ) provided. And I am happy to send older clients this additional content gratis.

Fantastic, we have yet gone in a circle again.

@bone ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE ANY SKILL/EXPERTISE in spread trading?

Like a recent trading statement for example?

Are you even a profitable trader or simply a profitable "professor" due to fees?

@bone you are against the ropes. You have dodged pretty much every opportunity to talk about yourself. Referring to 'clients' should perhaps read 'clients/victims'.

Nobody on ET expects you to give away 'trade secrets' for free. But everyone is now scratching their heads wondering why you are so evasive about your own performance (as per your 2006 statement)

We all await your response "professor"

 

[scr12]

Maybe some intrepid existing client looking to be abused by a bevy of trolls will chime in that there's so much more to it than that.

And your notion that they can get quality answers for free on ET is highly questionable.

It is highly questionable to get an quality answer from so called pro's who don't even to do spread charts correctly either.

May be they think, they are getting quality answer because they paid lot of money. There are sucker born every minute.

 

[Junior_CTA]

Typical ET with the usual arrogant suspects. Bones services are as misleading as a college education. You want the ez way; to become a master trader after paying his fee.

Let me ask you ETers, how many of you basement economists with Econ/business degrees running fortune 500 companies ? How much debt you got into?

Success does not happen overnight. Pathetic that some of you ET "millionaires" complaining about 7.5k lol pathetic

 

[convexx]

Typical ET with the usual arrogant suspects. Bones services are as misleading as a college education. You want the ez way; to become a master trader after paying his fee.

Let me ask you ETers, how many of you basement economists with Econ/business degrees running fortune 500 companies ? How much debt you got into?

Success does not happen overnight. Pathetic that some of you ET "millionaires" complaining about 7.5k lol pathetic

You truly are clueless. You're reporting surfer to the NFA when the guy is paper-trading. At least he can build a spread-chart. bone was sitting there spreading 851x XLE against an ES price of 13xx... when it should have been 17x XLE to ES at 1:1. Anyone here who's been trading for more than a week could spot that. He defending the moronic chart with "hedge fund" consulting gibberish. Get real. The guy couldn't trade his way out of a soup can. HIs final excuse, after the "I consult with HF" barrage, was that he doesn't spread equities.

He was denigrating delta1 traders as being rubes, and then produced his esignal spread chart of destruction.

Arrogance? How arrogant is it to defend such a stupid mistake?

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/the-s-p-has-topped.213015/page-57

Spending MONTHS with this clown? The COMEX gold vs. LME arb!? PJM on-screen? 851x XLE vs. 13xx in ES?

Worse, htf does a $486K DEBIT relate to profits? Nothing in that figure suggests it. The guy can't read his own statement and figured, wtf, $486K sounds nice.

I don't care what bone is charging. My argument is the $486K figure on his run.

 

[Ye Olde Refco]

Typical ET with the usual arrogant suspects. Bones services are as misleading as a college education. You want the ez way; to become a master trader after paying his fee.

Let me ask you ETers, how many of you basement economists with Econ/business degrees running fortune 500 companies ? How much debt you got into?

Success does not happen overnight. Pathetic that some of you ET "millionaires" complaining about 7.5k lol pathetic

@bone

NOBODY WANTS ANY TRADING INFO FROM YOU.

@bone / @Junior_CTA - do your 'clients' pay for your statements.

Have you ever shown a 'client' a statement other than the 2006 nonsense?

PLEASE STOP SWERVING!!