Spain / Catalonia Referendum : 90% of the 2.26 million Catalans who voted on Sunday voted in favour

The prime minister of Catalonia has asked today for international mediation.

The borders are well defined. Catalonia is a land with more than 1000 years of history.
We are civilized european citizens and all we want is freedom to decide.
We have the capacity to be a country like Denmark.

If Spain sends his army, I doubt it, they have no military capacity to invade Catalonia. Only 40.000 soldiers to control a population of 7.5 M
And the UE would automatically throw out Spain from UE because the states aren't allowed to use military forces again his population.

Of course there will be a moment to negotiate the conditions for the independence.
If Catalonia rejects that conditions Spain will not be able to pay his debts.
So at the end it will be amatter of dialogue. Catalans are demanding dialog with the Spains goverment from a long time ago.

This situation is the most important challenge for UE in the last decades.
It is an important moment for the U.E. and all will depend on his answer. For now, no answer from the UE commission but the EU parlamient will discuss the catalan referendum on Wednesday. We will see.

I wish you luck, my friend. I'm learning a lot by reading up on the situation.
 
This doesn't bode well..

https://theoldcontinent.eu/catalonia-2/



Well, there it is, the first high-ranking EU official who is publishing his response to the Spanish use of federal state-violence against a peaceful and democratic initiative.

Ramón Luis Valcárcel is a Vice President of the European Parliament and himself Spanish citizen, which might account for his visceral contempt for the Catalonian referendum:

Today we have witnessed a nationalistic propaganda act, undemocratic; a coup attempt against Spanish democracy, and so a coup against Europe.”
 
EU parliament vice president goes full retard in a leaked e-mail, written in SJW newspeak, to the EU-parliament, blaming Putin and Assange......

"Dear Colleagues,

Please allow me to address you in a day that is neither easy nor pleasant for any of us, Spaniards. It is, indeed, the most difficult situation that we have faced since February 1981, when a coup d'Etat tried to (and failed to) bring down our democracy.

Today, Spanish democracy faces an even greater threat: the first coup d'Etat of the post-truth era, planned by irresponsible nationalist-supremacist politicians aided by very-well manufactured propaganda that quickly spreads through social media with the help of, above all, pro-Russian bots like Mr Assange, Sputnik and RT.

The "Propaganda War" that helped hijack Ukraine is now intending to hijack Spain's democratic and constitutional order.

That is why I kindly ask you to please look at 'the bigger picture' today. No, complex facts do not sell as well as the photos that Catalan secessionist leaders have worked so hard to obtain, throwing their own people against the police in an intend to cover their illegal, undemocratic acts. But facts, correctly contextualized, are the best antidote against post-truth and propaganda tricks.

A detailed account of the facts is given at the end of this e-mail and is also accesible via this link.

When the rule of law has been threatened in other countries, all of us, Europeans, have abided by the democratic order and disregarded toxic propaganda that only seeks to divide and bring about the worst from Europe's painful past, shaped by various forms of nationalism –all equally devastating–.

Now, again threatened by nationalism, Spain needs you all. A coup against Spanish democracy is a coup against Europe.

Thank your for your time.

All the best,
Ramón Luis Valcárcel Siso"
 
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If Spain wanted to turn undecided observers against its side, it couldn't have done much better than the scenes of riot police brutally assaulting people attempting to vote. Let them vote and ignore it. Have it ruled unconstitutional. But to send in shock troops? Seems a bit more middle eastern than euro.
 
If Spain wanted to turn undecided observers against its side, it couldn't have done much better than the scenes of riot police brutally assaulting people attempting to vote. Let them vote and ignore it. Have it ruled unconstitutional. But to send in shock troops? Seems a bit more middle eastern than euro.

The Guardia Civil always had a reputation for brutality, it dates back from the days of Franco.
 
This doesn't bode well..

https://theoldcontinent.eu/catalonia-2/



Well, there it is, the first high-ranking EU official who is publishing his response to the Spanish use of federal state-violence against a peaceful and democratic initiative.

Ramón Luis Valcárcel is a Vice President of the European Parliament and himself Spanish citizen, which might account for his visceral contempt for the Catalonian referendum:

Today we have witnessed a nationalistic propaganda act, undemocratic; a coup attempt against Spanish democracy, and so a coup against Europe.”


This is a whole lot of straight up fascist propaganda right there in bold.
 
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I think changes are highest for Italy to be the first country to leave the euro and that will be the end of it.
This will be a major testcase for the future of the EU. We'll see how far they're willing to go to suppress forces that go against "EU democratic values".




Maybe Merkel will send the German banks in to "help" Catalonia get ready to join the EU the same way the banks "helped" Greece. It is a highly effective way of destroying a country without firing a shot.
 
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