Sound like Christians to me.

[I am...]

Quote from Cache Landing:

I believe that God, through Christ, created the heavens and the earth.

Not true.

God created Christ and gave him everything...gave him reality...made him reality. Christ's power is equal to God. But God is greater because he is the Cause of Christ, and gave him everything of Himself. Christ is able to give life, and co-create with his Creator.

Christ uses his God-given mind to imagine a world completely different from reality...different from himself.

Such is this world.

It is not really a giving of life, because it is not really alive. So it is not the Will of his Father.

It appears alive to those who believe in this world. But it is really very mechanical and machine-like.

Everything in it dies. And what can die was never alive.

Christ is alive because he cannot die. But in this world, he appears to die.

He appears to die because this world represents the opposite of reality, everything that Christ is not as he was Created by his Cause.

Neither true nor real, this world is a dream...a thought that is as quickly dismissed as it is considered.

Quickly dismissed, it's effects linger for those aspects of the Christ-mind that still invest belief in it. Time is real for those who believe in it.

We are now witnessing the gradual withdrawal of faith in this world. It appears to occur over thousands, even millions of years.

It is accomplished as each aspect of seemingly segregated mind-share listens to the counsel of the Holy Spirit who is the true Self who never forgets reality.

Given everything, Christ is God's Kingdom. A thought in Christ's mind came that he could steal this Kingdom away from God and use it for alt-reality, making every effort to make the alt-reality real. This is an impossible task. But you are witnessing the results of it. The world seems quite real to those who believe in it...those who believe Christ's mind can be segregated, privatized, measured, compared...and finally killed.

Salvation reverses this belief, and informs you that you cannot, and have not stolen anything from God. So nothing has changed. You are simply sleeping and dreaming.

Your remain Christ, as God created you.

Jesus

 

[Wallet]

Quote from Cache Landing:

I believe that God, through Christ, created the heavens and the earth.

Great! Do you believe that
Jesus the Son is equal to God the Father.

This is where many debates start, if not please quote from scripture your reasoning.

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from Wallet:

Great! Do you believe that
Jesus the Son is equal to God the Father.

This is where many debates start, if not please quote from scripture your reasoning.

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is equal to God the Father. Assuming you mean equal in glory, but not equal as in being the same person.

 

[I am...]

Quote from Wallet:

Quoted by Cache Landing

"Even so, Chirst had a mortal mother. Does that mean that he didn't have a spiritual mother? "

Do you believe that Jesus Christ created the universe? or was He created afterwards from some heavenly union?

I, Jesus, had a mortal mother as I appeared within the dream that is this world.

That is because this world is a denial of living parentage. So it is a strange place.

Christ conjures this world by the power of his mind as an alt-reality, opposite and upside down from the truth.

All within this world are manifestations of Christ as he conjures an unreality about himself.

I, Jesus, am called "Christ" because I recognized that I am that One that conjures up a false kingdom...what you call "the universe".

Yet, all within this dream of a kingdom are that One equally with me. Some recognize this, some don't...yet. That is the only difference between us: the decision to return to full awareness of Self.

As Jesus, I am an effect of this conjuring. As Christ, I am the cause of it.

As cause, I remembered the thinking and reasoning that preceded the conjuring of this world.

I realized that the reason for making this world was meaningless and chaotic. I viewed it as a kind of insanity.

But I also viewed it as a kind of expression of freedom. The parable of the prodigal Son describes wanderlust and it's consequences. It is a wandering of mind in the mind of Christ.

I used my freedom to choose again, cease wandering, turn around, and head home.

As a magical construct, I chose to reverse the spell by changing my mind about myself. After all, the world is about the denial of Self.

As I desired to do so, my Self reminded me of who I am. My Self brought me messages from my Father. I trusted them.

I dispelled the spell that is this world by reversing and/or withdrawing from the thinking that makes it.

I learned that thinking conjures this world through a series of decision-making processes that I called "judgment". Judgment is deciding without all the facts. This world is nothing but a rash judgment.

So I learned to lay down judgment, and let my Self, the Holy Spirit, decide for me for God.

In this way, I came to remember the beginnings of this world, and how it is built and maintained. In brief, I became privy to what was rolling around in the mind of the "prodigal Son"...the psychology of wandering from reality.

It is maintained by a concept of guilt and an expectation of punishment.

The "secret" is that there is no basis for guilt, and so no reason to expect punishment.

The world was built as a place to hide and defend from an imagined attack that seemed inevitable. Thus, it is a game.

In this game, those within the walls of the city occasionally toss out a "sacrifice" that they think will appease the imagined attackers outside.

It never really makes them feel secure, and it only perpetuates the game.

No one is going to attack, certainly not God. This is the truth. And this truth will set you free.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from Cache Landing:

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is equal to God the Father. Assuming you mean equal in glory, but not equal as in being the same person.

You do well. Now simply extend this belief to include yourself.

How does Cache Christ sound to you?

Jesus

 

[Wallet]

Quote from Cache Landing:

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is equal to God the Father. Assuming you mean equal in glory, but not equal as in being the same person.

Great, then do you believe that Jesus' earthly existence was from a union of the Holy Spirit and Mary or Joseph and Mary.

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from Wallet:

Great, then do you believe that Jesus' earthly existence was from a union of the Holy Spirit and Mary or Joseph and Mary.

I believe that it was a union between the power of the Highest and Mary as stated in Luke.

I absolutely don't believe that Joseph had anything to do with Jesus' conception.

 

[I am...]

Quote from Wallet:

Great, then do you believe that Jesus' earthly existence was from a union of the Holy Spirit and Mary or Joseph and Mary.

Before I comment, let me remind everyone: there is no world!

It seems to exist in the mind of Christ only as a belief.

Is a belief anything?

A belief in the mind of Christ is given great power.

It allows him to see what he wants to see.

But that does not make it real.

I, Jesus, was born of the power of the mind of Christ given to illusions.

The Holy Spirit symbolizes that aspect of Christ who builds a bridge of communication between reality and illusions...bringing the illusions back to reality.

Mary is a symbol of illusions. Only in illusion is there such thing as child-birth. For that matter, only in illusions is there such thing as male and female. "Father" is a term of endearment meaning love and cause in one word. There is nothing gender related about our Creator. Christ is the same, and that is why there is "no male of female in Christ".



Into this illusion the Holy Spirit sends messages...himself being a message sent from our Father to his non-communicating, fantasizing Son. The Holy Spirit is the word of God. He needs no books to speak to you.

I, Jesus, symbolize a message from the Holy Spirit.

"I was sent from heaven" means "I, the Holy Spirit, is sent from heaven". This is because on my path home, I began to speak as my Self - the Holy Spirit - in the first person. I spoke as He spoke to me. I did the miracles He showed me.

Otherwise, my birth was not different from what the laws of this world dictate.

A virgin birth was desired by those who wanted to build a special legacy about me relative to misperceived prophetic expectations.

It also reflects psychology about sex and how it is connected to guilt in the mind.

They wanted to portray me as guiltless, so my mother must be sexless.

It works for curiosity seekers as a fetish.

But in making me special, the builders of my legacy defeated the purpose of my message.

I am not different from anyone!

Like you, I had other incarnational experiences in the false kingdom you call "the universe".

And this is because I was with you in the beginning of time, making the Self-judgments that resulted in the formation of this krazy kingdom I called "the world".

These judgments put us into a deep sleep.

That aspect of us we call "Jesus" woke up first, because, well, it was inevitable that one of us begin the resurrection process.

I woke up first because since the beginning, I was not so heavily invested in the belief that we could be separated from God our Father.

So I was ready, earlier, from a point in linear time, to accept the "Atonement" for myself. In that, I accepted that I am not guilty, that I am the Son of God, free and whole and one with my Father.

Given time, all will accept this. None will be left out or left behind. This is the power of holiness.

When the last one leaves, the world will pass away. It was vanish, because it is nothing but belief.

In heaven, there are no beliefs. There is only perfect knowledge.

Jesus

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from Cache Landing:

I'm not the only one here calling you irrational, or do you just have any remarks that aren't from me put to ignore.

Since you cannot refute, you resort to calling someone "irrational?" Who started this thread anyway?

I won't put a list together because it isn't worth my time, but there are tons of verses with Jesus referring to God as a separate being. Or am I to assume that Christ prays to himself? Or that he referred to himself as his beloved son? As an earlier post (not mine) pointed out. The idea of the trinity makes a mockery of logic.

Human logic is NEVER a replacement for scripture. As the scripture says "The Lord has looked upon the sons of men to see if there is any that does right. There is none, no not one." "The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing." And the Mormons are at the head of the line. Rewrite the truths of God, slap on a pretty label, and hope they get away with it. Let us examine the meaning of trinity.

TRINITY: the union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Divine Being

IN OTHER WORDS CACHE LANDING, THE SCRIPTURE SAYS GOD IS THREE DISTINCT BEINGS. THE SCRIPTURE SAYS GOD IS ONE. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF TRINITY. WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND??? WHY DO YOU CHOOSE SOME VERSES AND THROW OUT OTHERS. DO YOU THINK GOD WILL BE SO ACCOMMODATING TO YOU ON THE LAST DAY? YOU WILL BE LIKE IN THE PARABLE OF THE 10 VIRGINS WHO DEMANDED LAMP OIL FROM THE OTHERS. THEY WENT AWAY AND WHEN THEY CAME BACK< THE DOOR WAS EVER SHUT TO THEM.

WHY CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE VIRGIN BIRTH REASONABLY ACCURATELY, YET NOT CALL THAT IRRATIONAL, BY YOUR LOGIC????

You are reveling in your glory that you are able to stump 19 year old boys straight out of high school. You're not wanting to have a logical discussion, so I'm not going to take hours responding to your marathon posts.

In each case, one or both of them were wearing the standard issue black name tag, with the word ELDER in front of their name. Let me give you the definition of ELDER:

"a lay member who is a governing officer, often assisting the pastor in services. One of the governing officers of a church, often having pastoral or teaching functions. a name frequently used in the Old Testament as denoting a person clothed with authority, and entitled to respect and reverence (Gen. 50:7). It also denoted a political office (Num. 22:7). The "elders of Israel" held a rank among the people indicative of authority. Moses opened his commission to them (Ex. 3:16). They attended Moses on all important occasions. Seventy of them attended on him at the giving of the law (Ex. 24:1). Seventy also were selected from the whole number to bear with Moses the burden of the people "

"Mormon Church: a member of the Melchizedek priesthood. A member of the higher order of priesthood. "

BTW, you should realize that this verse and many like it, came from the Book of Mormon. "And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end."

Too bad they don't understand it and are not even consistent within their own false beliefs.

Since you are so incapable of defending your own beliefs, isn't it about time for you to run away and start putting us on ignore? If you close your eyes and put your hands over your ears, you won't have to deal with the truth.

Repent, before it is too late for you. You are living in the worst kind of darkness.

 

[Cache Landing]

Put "us" on ignore? Who is this "us" you are referring to? With the rest of the participants of this thread I'm having a simple discussion. I would understand if they have already put you on ignore.

You should realize that the title "elder" in the mormon church refers to one who is sent forth to preach of Christ. It doesn't by any means imply that they know everything there is to know.

When I say "trinity", I am referring to the explanation of the godhead as found in the Nicene and Athanasian creeds. I thought that was obvious. You are again implying that your interpretation of those verses is accurate beyond debate. My interpretation says that they are one in every significant way, except that they are three distinct beings. The bible backs up my interpretation just as well. Yet somehow I am ignoring scriptures?

Acts 7:55-56

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Do me a favor. Make a single statement about one of your beliefs that you'd like me to agree with, other than the trinity because that topic has been beat to death.

BTW, what church do you identify with?