Actually, no one has said otherwise. They're saying "you get what you pay for", generally. Can you find outliers? Sure. Would you build a business on outliers? Probably not.
Software Engineer: $7,000 a year in China, $8,400 in India... $90,000 in U.S.
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Actually, no one has said otherwise. They're saying "you get what you pay for", generally. Can you find outliers? Sure. Would you build a business on outliers? Probably not.
Which Country Would Win in the Programming Olympics?
https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/
https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/
Three of the best coders
VLADIMIR NOVAKOVSKI
PETR MITRICHEV
GENNADY KOROTKEVICH
https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/
https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/
Three of the best coders
VLADIMIR NOVAKOVSKI
PETR MITRICHEV
GENNADY KOROTKEVICH
None of this matters when delivering projects successfully.
oh fuxx, please...on ignore...not for writing like a 6th grader learning English in Bangladesh but for putting up such weak arguments that they are outright insulting to an average intelligent person. What an idiot.
If you discuss about the quality of foreign programming:
I worked in the past for a European company that ordered a programming project at a famous Delaware company. After about two years the project was still a disaster. An audit from a specialized Swiss company lead to a claim against this Delaware company. The Delaware company accepted to pay +10 million $ in damages and the project was stopped and given to another software company in a much cheaper country. They did the job as expected.
I also know Ninjatrader/Tradestation programmers from "cheap countries" that are much better than those from "expensive countries".
Those who sell expensive always use the same tactics: accuse the opponent for delivering inferior or even bad quality. They want to frighten the client.
I know also from IT jobs from a subsidiary from Johnson&Johnson that were transferred to cheap locations. This proofs that the argument "these cheaper countries deliver horrible quality" is not correct.
If you discuss about the quality of foreign programming:
I worked in the past for a European company that ordered a programming project at a famous Delaware company. After about two years the project was still a disaster. An audit from a specialized Swiss company lead to a claim against this Delaware company. The Delaware company accepted to pay +10 million $ in damages and the project was stopped and given to another software company in a much cheaper country. They did the job as expected.
I also know Ninjatrader/Tradestation programmers from "cheap countries" that are much better than those from "expensive countries".
Those who sell expensive always use the same tactics: accuse the opponent for delivering inferior or even bad quality. They want to frighten the client.
I know also from IT jobs from a subsidiary from Johnson&Johnson that were transferred to cheap locations. This proofs that the argument "these cheaper countries deliver horrible quality" is not correct.
Not that it matters to this thread topic...but...
Hacker Rank -> Japan 6th? Germany 14th? With all due respect but this is a total joke. Japanese devs are good at Java Script, iOs, and Ruby. That is it. They cannot even maintain functioning corporate websites. Which hacking competition has a Japanese hacker ever won? That while German hackers have been on the front pages each and every year for 25 years straight. Has a German team not for the first time broken out of a virtual machine into the host system recently? Just saying, this list is bullshxx, though I believe Russia deserves spot 1 for sure, not China. China should be way lower , so should be Singapore, Taiwan, France, Italy. Romania should be way higher.
Hacker Rank -> Japan 6th? Germany 14th? With all due respect but this is a total joke. Japanese devs are good at Java Script, iOs, and Ruby. That is it. They cannot even maintain functioning corporate websites. Which hacking competition has a Japanese hacker ever won? That while German hackers have been on the front pages each and every year for 25 years straight. Has a German team not for the first time broken out of a virtual machine into the host system recently? Just saying, this list is bullshxx, though I believe Russia deserves spot 1 for sure, not China. China should be way lower , so should be Singapore, Taiwan, France, Italy. Romania should be way higher.
One of them worked in quant finance and did well for himself.You would not want him at that firm you've been consulting LOL.
I am happy Hungary is high on the list.
I'm not sure what you mean by that because I love having people smarter than me around. Based on my experience working with Russians though: if they think you are not as smart as them, you don't exist, so I assume that's what you meant.
And yeah, Russians should do well in quant finance: mathematically minded, great at programming. Not so great at interpersonal relationships though ;-)
How many of them work for $17,000 a year?
Well, you can pay over 100K for "quality" and still get a job that in reality was done by cheap Chinese programmers. And nobody ever noticed the difference in quality. Apparently this scam happened in several American companies at the same time. But nobody noticed any problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...puter-programmer-outsourced-job-to-China.html
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I'd say this shows that Verizon has poor management with limited technical expertise, something any of us who have dealt with them would probably agree on.