socialized medicine

[fhl]

It has been reported that 60% of national health trusts in UK are not meeting the core hygiene requirements that have been set for patient safety. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6757355.stm

This shouldn't be a surprise as most who are economically minded would surmise that when incentives are taken away, quality will suffer. I would bet that most uninsured in the US receive a higher quality of medical care than do the insured in most gov't run health plans in other countries. I'm sure many will disagree with that assessment, but it would be hard to prove one way or the other.

 

[acronym]

I suggest, you prove it.


You said it would be simple........

Sounds like your full of it, actually.

What, on earth, makes you think that?

 

[fhl]

Quote from acronym:

I suggest, you prove it.


You said it would be simple........

Sounds like your full of it, actually.

What, on earth, makes you think that?

I said it would be simple? I suggest you read my post a little more closely.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from fhl:

but it would be hard to prove one way or the other.

Unfortunately it's not that hard:

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

1 France
2 Italy
...
18 United Kingdom
...
30 Canada
...
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html


and here is another study:

May 16, 2007

"Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance, relative to other countries."

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=482678

 

[hoodooman]

I live in the USA and was misdiagnosed with prostrate cancer. The doctor lied because he didn't like the idea that I was trying to get the clean water act enforced in North Carolina.

Then an opthamologist told me I needed to come in for regular checkups because I was going blind. He lied for the money.

Then a doctor told me that I had a cyst on my neck that should be removed. He lied for the money as well.

Then I had two unnecessary knee surgeries because I really had osteoneucrosis of the hips from steroids that another doctor gave me to treat my asthma. I had to have both hips replaced.

Is socialized medicine worst than what I have experienced?

 

[Covertibility]

Old but a goodie:

Mock Funeral causes Humana to change policy

His new movie has a baby story that is quite disturbing.

 

[fhl]

Quote from dddooo:

Unfortunately it's not that hard:

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

1 France
2 Italy
...
18 United Kingdom
...
30 Canada
...
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html


and here is another study:

May 16, 2007

"Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance, relative to other countries."

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=482678

These types of studies are along the same lines of studies that attempt to convince us of all manner of reasons why America is a less desirable country.

Do you seriously expect me to believe that you can get better health care in Costa Rica than in the US?

 

[fhl]

Quote from hoodooman:

I live in the USA and was misdiagnosed with prostrate cancer. The doctor lied because he didn't like the idea that I was trying to get the clean water act enforced in North Carolina.

Then an opthamologist told me I needed to come in for regular checkups because I was going blind. He lied for the money.

Then a doctor told me that I had a cyst on my neck that should be removed. He lied for the money as well.

Then I had two unnecessary knee surgeries because I really had osteoneucrosis of the hips from steroids that another doctor gave me to treat my asthma. I had to have both hips replaced.

Is socialized medicine worst than what I have experienced?

I would say yes. The reason being that while physicians may have an incentive to lie in a capitalist system, you have the option of not taking their advice. In a socialist system, if you decide you want the procedure, you may just be put on a waiting list till you die.

 

[hoodooman]

If you are put on a waiting list to die, then you will probably will live longer

 

[acronym]

Quote from fhl:

These types of studies are along the same lines of studies that attempt to convince us of all manner of reasons why America is a less desirable country.

Do you seriously expect me to believe that you can get better health care in Costa Rica than in the US?

Dude, your the one who was bleating about how great things were, or are.

You were bloody wrong.

Got that? Bloody wrong, just bullshit statistics, your a halfwit, GET BENT.

The insurance "industry" is the GREATEST cause of illness, ever-why? Their the ONLY people, with a vested interest, in denying claims, covering up liability, lyeing to the public, denying the real factors behind social security, with the full support of the governement, (entirely faith based, BTW) so -given , its unlikely anyone in living memory has ever SEEN a real insurance statistic, do you STILL think, your crap should still wash?